[GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

5 posts ยท Apr 6 2006 to Apr 8 2006

From: David Stokes <dstokes@d...>

Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:58:42 +0100

Subject: [GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

Sorry to cause confusion. The Knights of St John are also known as the
Hospitilers or the Knights of Malta. They are still in existence today, with
several affiliated groups in various countries. The Templars were the other
main group of crusader knights. They 'officially' were put out

of business in the middle ages, although they are a favorite subject of rumors
in conspiracy theory circles.

The Knights of St John (I refer to them as such since they are no longer

based on Malta and no longer run the hospital in Jerusalem) ran a small but
powerful navy in the renaissance Mediterranean. They escorted (Christian)
merchant shipping, attacked (Islamic) North African raiders,

and fought the expanding Ottoman Empire. Today they run hospital ships and
conduct relief missions in war and famine zones.

My plans for them in the Tuffleyverse build on their current operations and
their history. They will operate hospital ships evacuating casualties from war
zones during the Solar Wars, and patrol shipping lanes against pirates,
especially those with connections to the IF. Once

the Kra'vak War starts they see their sacred role as protecting humanity

and turn their small but potent force to striking Kra'vak incursions. I
foresee a siege of their fortified base world analogous to the Turkish siege
of Malta, and strikes at the Kra'vak lines of supply during the attack on Sol.

Diplomatically, I see them as officially neutral but not equally friendly with
all human powers, and relations cut across the typical fault lines. Most
friendly with the FSE. Good relations also, ironically, with the NSL, although
the NSL sometimes complains about the

being too close to the FSE. Cordial, but not warm, relations with the
NAC - still haven't quite gotten over the whole Church of England thing,

but some of their largest individual donors are NAC subjects. Fairly frosty
relations with the ESU, and all but outright hostile with the IF.

(yes, I'm building an IF fleet).

I have some ideas for their forces. Ship designs based on FSE, but since

they go on long patrols with little chance for resupply they've replaced

many of the missiles with beams. Their forces are small, but highly
trained and very high morale. Models are the new Brigade Euro-Fed ships
as well as some older FSE ships bought before they started building their own
designs.

Flag should be a white, eight-pointed (Maltese) cross on a red field,
but I might alter it a bit so as not to conflict with the REAL organization.
I'm doing this as a tribute to both the history and the current organization,
and because it would fit nicely in the Tuffleyverse milieu, so I don't want to
offend the of its members.

I'll send more details to Nyrath when I get a chance.

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:05:49 -0400

Subject: Re: [GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

> Sorry to cause confusion.

No problem-- *some* of us knew what you were talking about ;-)

The KoSJ are welcome to take up residence in one of the Alarishi systems, as
long as they don't mind neighbors like these: Sovereign Order of the Fellow
Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon (Templars)
New Los Angeles and the Whistle-Click Pod
Hospice of the Poor Claires Planet of the Geeks BioGen Pharmaceuticals AG
Ba'Das Clan (renegade Kra'Vak warfamily) Turning Republic SARCo Search And
Rescue Company The Democratic People's Socialist Republic of Marxgrad. Jack
Old Ron

From: Oerjan Ariander <oerjan.ariander@t...>

Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:24:20 +0200

Subject: Re: [GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

> David Stokes wrote:

> [...] Once the Kra'vak War starts they see their sacred role as

I'd find a siege analogous to the earlier Turkish siege of *Rhodes* rather
more interesting... :-)

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:15:44 +0200

Subject: Re: [GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

Funny, how some minds think alike. I had very similar ideas about Knights of
St.John for the Tuffleyverse, right down to their use of FSE
ships with beam weaponry :-)

Unfortunately, the project never progressed very far beyond painting up a few
GZG Nuns with guns in appropiately coloured armour and designing a

"Non-Maltese" cross for them.

I have restored the webpage with their pictures:
http://kh-ranitzsch.homepage.t-online.de/gallery/sf_nuns.html

David Stokes schrieb:
> Sorry to cause confusion. The Knights of St John are also known as the

> Hospitilers or the Knights of Malta. They are still in existence

> the other main group of crusader knights.

And, of courese, the Teutonic Knights.

> The Knights of St John (I refer to them as such since they are no

Though they and their associated organisations still run a lot of
hospital, first-aid organisations and charities in many places, so
"Hospitallers" doesn't seem inappropiate for me.

> My plans for them in the Tuffleyverse build on their current
Once
> the Kra'vak War starts they see their sacred role as protecting
I
> foresee a siege of their fortified base world analogous to the Turkish

> siege of Malta, and strikes at the Kra'vak lines of supply during the

Their military ground forces would act to support their relief operations and
those of other aid operators, especially protecting them against crime and
petty warlord interference.

> Diplomatically, I see them as officially neutral but not equally

In the Tuffelyverse, they would nominally be subject to the Pope, but they
have a very independent mind of their own, and it is unlikely Pope Sophia II
could force them to do anything they don't want to do.

Even today, they are nominally a sovereign organization, not subject to a
state, and indeed there are some countries that recognize them as an
independent "states". In Prague, for example, they have a very nice embassy.

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: hott <hott@h...>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:57:17 +0100

Subject: Re: [GZG] Knights of St John Re: Please ignore previous on Knights...

I'm no better, the current campaign I'm involved in required everyone to come
up with a background and I picked the Knights of St.Michael's Wing
(http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10272a.htm). For my background a
Portuguese/Brazilian mix coming out of the LLAR

Kev

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