All GZG fans,
I'm planning on holding the first GZG-ICQ chat sometime later
this week. The chat will be held via IRC, since not everyone on this list has
access to ICQ.
The Time: 10pm EST, 7pm PST - Until the last person logs.
The Place:
Server - vchat1.microsoft.com,
Room - #GZG
Password - FTFB1
If you have a problem with the time, please feel free to suggest another time
slot. I'm trying my best to balance the hours for those of us in North
America.
Thanks,
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:54:27 -0500, Stuart Ford <smford@execpc.com>
wrote:
> The Time: 10pm EST, 7pm PST - Until the last person logs.
Of course, you didn't give the actual date...
I have ICQ. What's keeping the rest of you?
Allan spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> I have ICQ. What's keeping the rest of you?
Under the category of 'don't know if its true': I have a friend runs a web
design company. He told me the ICQ people are know on the Net to sell both
your email address and those of anyone you correspond with to evil spammers. I
don't know if this is so, but I've had enough hassle with these dorks that I
don't care to find out.
That is what is keeping me from ICQ.
:) Tom.
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> Allan Goodall wrote:
wrote:
> >The Time: 10pm EST, 7pm PST - Until the last person logs.
He did say sometime later this week. Anyone want to suggest a day.
(Friday would be bad. I've got to work from 4-Midnight.)
> I have ICQ. What's keeping the rest of you?
I've got it too.
> Of course, you didn't give the actual date...
Well, Duh =) I guess I didn't...
Thursday July 16th, 10pm EST, vchat1.microsoft.com / #GZG / FTFB1
There, much better
SF
Mark spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> He did say sometime later this week. Anyone want to suggest a
THURSDAY would be my recommendation.
> "Armed people are free. No state can control those who have the
Hmm. I know this is just the sig, but it strikes me that a populace would need
to be equipped as to an army to resist, and have the training to use that
gear. But admittedly and armed populace could be a real pain in the butt to an
oppressor.
And no 220-pound thug can threaten the well being or dignity
> of a 110-pound woman who had two pounds of iron to even things out."
If she can get it out in time, and hit the target. And assuming the
220 pound thug too lacks the two pounds of iron (and/or a BP vest).
But I wax Off Topic.....
Tom.
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Kinetics Ltd. 66 Iber Road, Stittsville Ontario, Canada, K2S 1E7
Reception: (613) 831-0888
PBX: (613) 831-2018
My Extension: 4009
Fax: (613) 831-8255
Software Kinetics' Web Page:
http://www.sofkin.ca
SKL Daemons Softball Web Page:
http://fox.nstn.ca/~kaladorn/softhp.htm
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> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:54:27 -0500, Stuart Ford <smford@execpc.com>
wrote:
> The Time: 10pm EST, 7pm PST - Until the last person logs.
Ummm, can you say "Firewall"?
I knew you could!
ICQ has problems with firewalls in many instances - mine just happens to
be one of those instances. I'd hook it up at home, but in Alaska the time
difference kind of kills most benefit. the time of day I might be online is
getting pretty late for most US users - I guess it would be Early
morning across the pond in Europe.
> On 14 Jul 98, at 10:54, Stuart Ford wrote:
Which is like (what?) 5AM European time. *Sigh*
> If you have a problem with the time, please feel free to suggest
The way I figure it, early evening US is around lunchtime UK, so the earlier
(your time) you can do it the better for us Europeans.
TTFN
Jon
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:58:41 -0500, Thomas Barclay
<Thomas.Barclay@sofkin.ca> wrote:
> Under the category of 'don't know if its true':
Well, I've been using ICQ for a month now and haven't noticed any change in
the volume of spam I receive. Since ICQ doesn't actually check your
e-mail ID
during registration, putting a bogus e-mail address is simple and would
protect you. In fact, an e-mail address I THINK is optional. The easiest
thing to do is to grab a free account (Hotmail or something), put that into
ICQ and then just let the account expire.
But I don't think this is necessary. As I said, ICQ doesn't check the validity
of the e-mail address you enter during registration. I suspect that this
is a rumour and nothing more.
Yes, this is off topic, except that we're considering a GZG ICQ chat and
discussion of ICQ in this context is probably on topic. Anyone needing
information about ICQ, please e-mail me.
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:02:06 -0900, Jared E Noble
<JNOBLE2@mail.aai.arco.com> wrote:
> Ummm, can you say "Firewall"?
Good point. It didn't work when I tried it at Kodak, either. The firewall
caused all sorts of problems.
> At 10:02 AM 7/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
10 pm EST + 5 hours = 3 am UK time, IIRC....
> If you have a problem with the time, please feel free to suggest
No...wrong way around. You guys are later than we are, so lunchtime US is
early evening UK. If the chat starts at 5 pm or so EST, then, it'd be 10
pm in the UK... not bad, though I won't be able to make that. (An hour+
commute really bites... only 5 weeks 'till my apartment is
available....)
> Allow me to question what we get out of ICQ as a chat mechanism
There is a limit to 7 people in chat using ICQ. On ICR you are limited only by
the servers setting for maximum users per room.
> Would firewalls block ICQ that would not block IRC?
We have a really nasty firewall here at work, it not only masks and filters
trafic, but also modifies the packet headers. ICQ has nothing
but problems with this. I can't send/receive files, or open chats.
That's the other reason i'm using ICR for the chat. Just in case one or more
of you are under the same situation.
SF
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What has four legs and an arm?
A happy pit
bull!
Allan spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> Well, I've been using ICQ for a month now and haven't noticed any
Good advice.
> Yes, this is off topic, except that we're considering a GZG ICQ chat
Allow me to question what we get out of ICQ as a chat mechanism (since chats
would be scheduled?) that we don't get from IRC? IRC seems a more standard
(okay maybe I'm dated) mechanism.
Would firewalls block ICQ that would not block IRC?
Tom.
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Thomas Barclay Software Specialist Police Communications Systems Software
Kinetics Ltd. 66 Iber Road, Stittsville Ontario, Canada, K2S 1E7
Reception: (613) 831-0888
PBX: (613) 831-2018
My Extension: 4009
Fax: (613) 831-8255
Software Kinetics' Web Page:
http://www.sofkin.ca
SKL Daemons Softball Web Page:
http://fox.nstn.ca/~kaladorn/softhp.htm
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:34:43 -0500, Thomas Barclay
<Thomas.Barclay@sofkin.ca> wrote:
> Allow me to question what we get out of ICQ as a chat mechanism
Mikko asked me the same question in private.
Basically the only reason ICQ is becoming so popular is because it is a simple
to load program with a killer app feature. IRC requires you to find IRC
channels, learn how it works, and it uses some pretty simple--but to a
neophyte, arcane--metaphors. ICQ is very simple: it starts up with your
browser and tells you when a friend is online (yes, you can mask your online
activity to anyone or everyone). Once I see that a friend is online, I can
send them a message, request a chat, send them an e-mail, etc. (in fact,
the
messaging, e-mail, and URL sending can be done when someone is offline).
This is what's making it so popular. People you know are asking you if you
have it (it happened at a family get together last week, for instance). For
IRC, you have to search out an IRC channel that meets your interest. With ICQ
(which stands for I Seek You) you are told as soon as a friend or family
member logs on. It starts up with the browser, so it looks for all the world
like the same app. No playing around, it all happens behind the scenes.
ICQ in its current form won't replace IRC. I can see ICQ growing to the point
where it will be THE method of internet online communication. If they can get
past the 7 person limit, it COULD replace IRC.
For what people are talking about here, IRC is probably the best route to go.
But here's an anecdote that explains the beauty of ICQ. We've been farting
around for a couple of days now trying to organize some sort of IRC chat. Last
night, Aaron Teske looked me up using ICQ, saw that I was on, and sent me a
message. We proceeded to send messages back and forth for about 15 minutes,
talking mostly FT stuff. We didn't go into chat mode, but we did use ICQ's
message mode. So, while the list in general is busy trying to get an IRC thing
organized, Aaron and have already had an online chat about FT, and it took
VERY little effort on either of our parts to set up.
So, if you want a forum discussion where tons of FT people can chat online, go
with IRC. If you want to talk FT with anyone who just happens to be online at
the moment, get ICQ and look up some FT people.
We should probably set up a list of GZG mailing list members with ICQ.
> Would firewalls block ICQ that would not block IRC?
Quite possibly.
The chat room is up early. I opened the room, had someone pop in to ask what
GZG was... when I said Full Thrust.. it opened up a can of worms.
You can connect via, MS ComicChat, V-Chat, or any standard IRC
client like mIRC, Pirch etc.
Server address: vchatsvr.microsoft.com - OR vchat1.microsoft.com
- OR - irc.msn.com
Room/Channel : #GZG NO PASSWORD
SF
> On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Allan Goodall wrote:
> Mikko asked me the same question in private.
I hate to point this out, but you neglected to answer my specific questions:
- Is there a Unix client for ICQ?
- Non-X-windows client?
- Will there ever be (is it an open standard?)
- Is there a server in Europe?
- Scandinavia?
Btw: Am I the only one who still remembers talk and rmsg? Nevermind
email...
Oh well... Beavis and Butthead own the world anyway. (Not meant as a personal
slight to anyone, just that I think the mass appeal of any
application is linked far more to the "eh-eh k00l" factor than any
actual quality or usability).
I'd be interested but not everyone has ICQ either.
Gil
I can't seem to find this place - can someone tell me how to get to it?
Gil
> I can't seem to find this place - can someone tell me how to get to it?
What are you looking for Gil? The chat took place last night, via Microsoft's
IRC server. More information on chat schedules will be posted later today
SF
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:36:19 +0300 (EEST), Mikko Kurki-Suonio
> <maxxon@swob.dna.fi> wrote:
> I hate to point this out, but you neglected to answer my specific
Oops, sorry.
> - Is there a Unix client for ICQ?
There isn't one listed on the web site (http://www.icq.com). However,
there are Java, Windows 95, WinNT, Win3.11, Windows CE, and Mac versions.
> - Non-X-windows client?
Only if you include the Java version.
> - Will there ever be (is it an open standard?)
No idea. Probably not an open standard, unless you count the Java version.
> - Is there a server in Europe?
I'm not sure how ICQ works with respect to servers. I suspect that the servers
are only repositories for IP addresses of various users and that you don't
actually log on to a server to use ICQ. Certainly there's no logging in or
anything like that. I did check and there are several Scandinavian ICQ user
lists. One for Finland, 7 for Denmark, I think 7 for Sweden, etc. So, there
are ICQ users in Scandinavia.
> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Allan Goodall wrote:
> There isn't one listed on the web site (http://www.icq.com). However,
A Java program, like a C program, may or may not work without a windowing
system. Knowing it's Java doesn't help a text-terminal user at all.
> No idea. Probably not an open standard, unless you count the Java
Can you get the Java sourcecode? Are the clients all by the same firm or can
you get different versions?
Oh, and how do they finance the service? Let me guess... obnoxious banner ads
all over the place?
> Can you get the Java sourcecode? Are the clients all by the same firm
Mirabilis produced the Java version of ICQ. They ship the compiled classes and
not the source. With the selling of ICQ to AOL, the Java varient will more
than likely be scrapped.
> Oh, and how do they finance the service? Let me guess... obnoxious
ICQ has been on a free BETA TEST since it's creation, this will change in the
very near future as AOL now OWNS (their own words) this new user
base and sees a lot of revenue in the 12+ million ICQ users.
SF
Right! that's enough of that...
> It starts up with the browser, so it looks for all the world
ICQ - that half-backsided commercial big-brother excuse for a
technology?
ICQ is easier to use. might i - in the way pioneered by Paddy Ashdown
and subsequently ripped off by Tony Blair - propose a Third Way? amble
over to
http://members.xoom.com/tom_anderson/gzgchat.html
where you will find a Java applet which plugs you in to a chat server
with all the smoothness you might expect of ICQ - just load the page,
type a nickname, hit the button and bob's your uncle. you should read my
Columo-style note on nicknames, though. people not belonging to the xoom
family (motto: join uuussss...) need to be a bit careful with nicknames.
apologies to those without Java; i think it is possible to connect to this
with IRC but i'm not sure yet; mail me if you would like me to find out.
anyway, that's the technology; see if you can work it. i'm not much of a
chatter, so someone else might want to take control of organisation - Mr
Ford, perhaps?