[GZG] GW and Re: Artillery considerations (was: Re: Help

Ryan Gill said:

> So buying games workshop stuff is a hobby in and of itself?

Yep. It's SHOPPING for boys (well, mainly boys). SHOPPING is both a hobby and
a lifestyle.

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think any time you amass a large number of any one thing you are collecting.
The motivation doesn't change the reality.

-Eli

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> Ryan Gill said:

And with that... poof! I'm a bill collector.:)

Robert Mayberry

> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:07 PM, <emu2020@comcast.net> wrote:

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Funny that, I collect bills too. In fact they keep getting in the way of me
being able to collect other stuff.
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> At 11:07 PM +0000 7/9/08, emu2020@comcast.net wrote:

Nobody's coming out with new rules every 4 years that makes my existing
armoured cars obsolete and useless.

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ody says that has to happen with your minis, either....:)

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> At 11:07 PM +0000 7/9/08, emu2020@comcast.net wrote:

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Agree with this. Even if GW stopped with special rules for a particular unit
like they did with the Imperial Robots when they changed the game from the
role playing based game Rogue Trader into the initial incarnation of a
wargame, there is nothing to stop you using the robot models as any other
unit, you could use them as Ogryns or Sentinels or as allied Grey Knight
terminators. Most 40k players I know would be interested in the models and
think their inclusion cool and interesting.

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Nobody says that has to happen with your minis, either....:) Â
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From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>

> At 11:07 PM +0000 7/9/08, emu2020@comcast.net wrote:

Nonsense, I played 40K from the Rogue Trader days and my wife has been
involved since 2nd Edition, the last time we were involved with 40K was last
November and I was very nearly an outrider at one time (and two of my good
friends were outriders). The concerns raised here, in the vast majority,
STILL apply to GW. They aren't evil, but they are
_not_ loyal to their customers (or their fans or their outriders).
Just wait, play long enough and they will do it to you too. I expect
that in a few years you too will join the ex-GW player support group.

Til then, have fun, but don't try to tell us that things are different, all it
takes is thumbing through a White Dwarf to see they haven't changed (see any
squats?). If GW changed, they would get a TON of old players back, rather
than providing a steady pool of recruits for other games (or, unfortunately,
no games in some cases).

I have played GW games since the early 90s and have not stopped enjoying it in
all that time. I am interested in the idea that GW are not loyal to their
customers and if they changed into something else they would win back
disaffected players from the outer darkness of the gaming dimensions. What do
you want GW to change into? What would good games company that is also a large
lsited corporation look and act like? I want a game where there is regular and
ongoing development in the game. I want designers to be able to fix their
mistakes with ugly rules or badly defined units and not be stuck with them
forever. I want high quality production values, colour pictures etc. I want
new and expanding and refreshed model lines. GW dropped squats over 10 years
ago. Should a company be unable to discontinue support for a model range that
isn't selling? Do you see people protesting outside Mongoose because they
dropped their B5 game and Starship Troopers? If you were playing 40k recently
as 6 months ago what is that game like to play? What are the good game
mechanisms and what are not? What is the figure quality like compared to
other companies? Do the wide availability of platic models give you more
opportunity to convert and personalise you models than other all metal
suppliers? Complaining about decisions made 10 years ago doesn't have any
bearing about the way the game is played now. It would be worth mentioning
that in the last 10 years GW has stopped support for one game race meaning
you can't use the figures unless you adapt them to a current codex, and there
have been suggestions as to how to do this with Squats and in the
same period they have added 5-6 new codexes.Â
If I were playing Full Thrust at all regularly and I was allowed to pick my
own designs there's nothing worht buying but biotech models. Once you move
past the fleet book designed you can get rid of the crap systems and max out
on generators and drone wombs. You get some really killer ships that normal
tech free form designs can't match