Just FYI you typo'ed "the" on
http://www.groundzerogames.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id
=110&Itemid=50
"FT Lite - this version introduces teh most important core rules of the
game." (NOTE THE teh)
Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
(http://downloads.groundzerogames.net/FTLrules.pdf) where you say
"light" all the time .. can you change the PDF and re-upload ... looks
amateurish as a result
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Peter Thoenen <eol1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
looks
> amateurish as a result
Actually, Full Thrust is a British product. As such, it uses proper English,
where the word "lite" does not exist and is an abomination!
:-)
(I'm sort of kidding, but in truth "lite" is an Americanization that doesn't
exist in British (or Canadian, and I don't think Australian) English, so his
use of "light" is actually correct.)
> From an academic standpoint, of course. However, from a marketing
The_Beast
Allan properly wrote on 04/17/2008 11:47:07 AM:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Peter Thoenen <eol1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
looks
> > amateurish as a result
> On Thursday 17 April 2008 17:47:07 Allan Goodall wrote:
wrote:
> > Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
looks
> > amateurish as a result
Really? I never realised that it was a real word in any language, and always
assumed it was just some annoying misspelling invented by marketing.
> Allan Goodall wrote:
wrote:
> Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
looks
> amateurish as a result
LOL.. learned something new, always figured "lite" was proper or international
English:)
On a serious note though, regardless of which one is correct, lets settle on
either "lite" or "light" but pick one and make it consistent
:)
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
> From an academic standpoint, of course. However, from a marketing
You have to be careful, though. Non-American English readers actually
get peeved when they see things marketed with Americanizations.
Sometimes, though, they just corrupt it for humorous effect, like the
"Lah-zed-boy recliner" (instead of "La-Z-Boy recliner") and the rock
band Zed Zed Top.
> Just FYI you typo'ed "the" on
I think that was a typo from our webmaster when he was trying to get the pdf
up on the site for me just before he went off on holiday.... it'll get amended
once he's back again!
> Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
Speaking personally, I detest the fashion of using "lite", makes it
sound like a fizzy drink.... YMMV of course! ;-)
Hence the use of "LIGHT" throughout the actual rules, the correct form of
English and entirely a deliberate choice.
Any mention of FT "Lite" is not mine, and will be amended as soon as possible
(see above...). Having said that, I really don't mind how people choose to
spell it as long as they have fun playing it!
:-)
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re _I_come from, we don't complain about Free Ice Cream, for Bog's
sake....
Sheesh,
Ken
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we need to clarify which spelling is the approved version for any convention
purposes, also. We, the members of the GZG hobby, demand rigidly defined
spelling of the words, which, may or may not mean less than full.:razz
> --- Allan Goodall <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Peter Thoenen <eol1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Also you used "lite" properly everywhere except the download itself
looks
> > amateurish as a result
<delurk>
Just to set the record straight, while "Lite" is used colloquially by a lot of
Americans, it only appears in marketing/advertising associated with a
single product, since it is both a brand name and a registered trademark of
Miller Brewing Co. in the US (and I presume everywhere else that their lawyers
can reach).
J
<re-lurk>
Good Gosh! Except for Nintendo's DS Lite, Lite Brights which preceded Miller
Brewing's trademark, I think, and few others, I can't Google any commercial
usage! I would have confidently said in court I'd seen dozens of products
called 'lite'. I would have said the word was already zipper'd.
Time to return to the cave!
The_Beast
JL wrote on 04/19/2008 11:21:08 AM:
> <delurk>
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
> Good Gosh! Except for Nintendo's DS Lite, Lite Brights which preceded
I found quite a few, actually. Vari-Lite, E-Z-Lite, Macromedia Flash
Lite, Lava Lite, etc.
During a Google search, I found a reference to the book "Trademark & Copyright
Disputes: Litigation Forms and Analysis" on Google Books. Part of the text
said, "For example, take the LITE trademark of Miller (U.S. Trademark
Registration No. 1385379). That trademark is limited to the exact logo of the
word "lite".
I found another reference that Miller tried to trademark "lite" for use with
beer, but could not against other "light" beers. So, they instead had to
trademark "Miller Lite".
So Miller doesn't have the trademark on "lite", just on that particular logo
and "Miller Lite".
I'll be go to heck what I did wrong, but it was 'dozens' of
software/rulesets I was thinking, including Traveller Lite, Photoshop
Lite, etc.
I was PRETTY sure there were other cases. J, had me going a bit; obviously,
it made sense. ;->=
Allan, thanks for squaring me away; as much as I live on Google, it's
embarassing to get caught flubbing.
By the way, for those many who have this pet peeve, like I said, 'lite' is
starting to make sense to me, but I do understand, and have often felt, your
pain.
The_Beast
"Allan Goodall"
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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
> Good Gosh! Except for Nintendo's DS Lite, Lite Brights which preceded
I found quite a few, actually. Vari-Lite, E-Z-Lite, Macromedia Flash
Lite, Lava Lite, etc.
During a Google search, I found a reference to the book "Trademark & Copyright
Disputes: Litigation Forms and Analysis" on Google Books. Part of the text
said, "For example, take the LITE trademark of Miller (U.S. Trademark
Registration No. 1385379). That trademark is limited to the exact logo of the
word "lite".
I found another reference that Miller tried to trademark "lite" for use with
beer, but could not against other "light" beers. So, they instead had to
trademark "Miller Lite".
So Miller doesn't have the trademark on "lite", just on that particular logo
and "Miller Lite".
Allan
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
I guess my Googlefu is pretty good. I did a search on "lite trademark" and
found all the stuff I mentioned earlier.
(Now back to my manuscript for the chapter of my RPG book which won't actually
be published in the book but as a PDF download...)
> I'll be go to heck what I did wrong, but it was 'dozens' of
obviously,
> it made sense. ;->=
is
> starting to make sense to me, but I do understand, and have often felt,
Now, we're not going to get into a "fite" over this are we..... ;-)
Jon (GZG)
> [quoted text omitted]
> "Allan Goodall"
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> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu>
wrote:
> Good Gosh! Except for Nintendo's DS Lite, Lite Brights which
Oh, go ghoti...
Jon wrote on 04/20/2008 12:49:56 PM:
> >I'll be go to heck what I did wrong, but it was 'dozens' of
obviously,
> >it made sense. ;->=
is
> >starting to make sense to me, but I do understand, and have often
I always understood that there were rules for pronunciation but not for
spelling.
Otherwise <humor> how can you explain Welsh place names </humor>
Michael Brown mwsaber6@msn
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From: "Ground Zero Games" <jon@gzg.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:49 AM
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> I'll be go to heck what I did wrong, but it was 'dozens' of
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> On Apr20 08, at 10:49, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> Now, we're not going to get into a "fite" over this are we..... ;-)
Why yes, yes, we are, we're just that sort of group, but we like rules. The
first phase is traded smacking with the OED and other associated dictionaries.
The survivors will play out the NAS Spelling Bee incident off the planet
Hayward....
The final "sudden" Death phase has yet to be decided. Though I suspect somehow
that sheep will be involved.
As for the location for the settlement of this dispute I suggest Paraguay, as
one of the few perfect neutral countries....
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> On Apr20 08, at 11:16, Michael wrote:
> I always understood that there were rules for pronunciation but not
That ones easy, the English stole all of their vowels....
Evyn MacDude infojunky@ceecom.net
"When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule,
participants are free to use the information received, but neither the
identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other
participant, may be revealed"
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ally, someone managed to point out the culprit: Sheep:
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/03/22/spelling-with-sheep/
They CAN spell, which means they started all this just to razz us humans.
Bobby
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Evyn MacDude <infojunky@ceecom.net> wrote:
> On Apr20 08, at 10:49, Ground Zero Games wrote:
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story goes that OU Captain Bridges invited IC Commander Brown to a rodeo in
his home country as a goodwill gesture. Commander Brown brought her 8 year old
daughter Elina and let her try her hand at sheep riding.
Reference video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNKjbKHc8U
Captain Bridges almost busted a gut laughing when Elina got thrown off the
sheep. And of course Commander Brown took it kinda personal. She had her aide
send Captain Bridges a note, saying, "I take offence at your behavior today,
and I don't take it litely."
Well, Captain Bridges penned a return note, which said, "I will take it as
LIGHTLY as I please, Commander."
There was a brief firefight that week on the disputed island of Coconut, and
both sides took casulaties before the UN could manage to step in.
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Bobby Mock <hansuke@gmail.com> wrote:
> Finally, someone managed to point out the culprit: Sheep:
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EFUL - We take RODEO very seriously around here
Michael Brown mwsaber6@msn
From: Bobby Mock
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Subject: Re: [GZG] Full Thrust Lite
The story goes that OU Captain Bridges invited IC Commander Brown to a rodeo
in his home country as a goodwill gesture. Commander Brown brought her 8 year
old daughter Elina and let her try her hand at sheep riding.
Reference video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNKjbKHc8U
Captain Bridges almost busted a gut laughing when Elina got thrown off the
sheep. And of course Commander Brown took it kinda personal. She had her aide
send Captain Bridges a note, saying, "I take offence at your behavior today,
and I don't take it litely."
Well, Captain Bridges penned a return note, which said, "I will take it as
LIGHTLY as I please, Commander."
There was a brief firefight that week on the disputed island of Coconut, and
both sides took casulaties before the UN could manage to step in.
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Bobby Mock <hansuke@gmail.com> wrote:
Finally, someone managed to point out the culprit: Sheep:
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/03/22/spelling-with-sheep/
They CAN spell, which means they started all this just to razz us humans.
Bobby
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Evyn MacDude <infojunky@ceecom.net> wrote:
> On Apr20 08, at 10:49, Ground Zero Games wrote:
Now, we're not going to get into a "fite" over this are we.....
;-)
Why yes, yes, we are, we're just that sort of group, but we like rules. The
first phase is traded smacking with the OED and other associated dictionaries.
The survivors will play out the NAS Spelling Bee incident off the planet
Hayward....
The final "sudden" Death phase has yet to be decided. Though I suspect somehow
that sheep will be involved.
As for the location for the settlement of this dispute I suggest Paraguay, as
one of the few perfect neutral countries....
Evyn MacDude
infojunky@ceecom.net
"When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule,
participants are free to use the information received, but neither the
identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other
participant, may be revealed"
> Michael Brown wrote:
> I always understood that there were rules for pronunciation but not for
I find Welsh place names *much* easier to pronounce starting from the spelling
than English place names are... the Welsh are decent enough to
actually adhere to their pronounciation/spelling rules; the English
generally aren't :-p
> Oerjan Ariander wrote:
Actually, for a language derived from the attempts of French speaking soldiers
to pick up German speaking barmaids, we have remarkably regular
rules for pronunciation; it's just that far too many of them come from French.
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Evyn MacDude wrote:
> The survivors will play out the NAS Spelling Bee incident off
Stinger nodes at 20 km?
> Michael Llaneza wrote:
> >I find Welsh place names *much* easier to pronounce starting from the
Although "Slough", though... :-p
(Hint: the placename above does *not* rhyme with the other two words :-/
)
If you want a rant about English place names, start with Leicester, or
Worcestershire...
As for Slough, I thought I'd already covered that with 'ghoti'.
The_Beast
Oerjan wrote on 04/21/2008 03:54:40 AM:
> Michael Llaneza wrote:
> As for Slough, I thought I'd already covered that with 'ghoti'.
Whoops, wrong one. Nevermind.
The_Beast
> Doug Evans wrote:
> If you want a rant about English place names, start with Leicester, or
Pronounced Lesstr and Woostrshr, right?
I think there may be an upside down 'e' or several, but as my keyboard
supports naught, yes, that's rite... ;->=
The_Beast
Frits (no zed) wrote on 04/21/2008 07:40:58 AM:
> Doug Evans wrote:
Regular eh? Let's imagine...
The Saxon barmaid *pours* the Norman soldier a drink, unconsciously wrinkling
her nose at the garlic smell oozing from his *pores*. He cops a feel, and
after a *pause* she dumps the ale on his head and shouts: "Keep your filthy
*paws* off me!"
Gday,
> Oh, go ghoti...
That's my favourite fisheries article column... Indicating how geeky modellers
are I guess;)
> Oerjan Ariander wrote:
Great example, but... That's both a proper noun, which type tends to have
unique pronunciation, and in this case nearly predates the Norman invasion
(first recorded use as "Slo" way back in 1096 per wikipedia). Besides, it's in
Berkshire, West of London and in the heart of England's "nearly more dialects
than people" region. Got an example that isn't a proper noun?
> Michael Llaneza wrote:
region.
> [quoted text omitted]
Not that far from Reading - pronounced to rhyme with Wedding.
You can tell where someone lives to within a few miles there, just by the
accent.
Though there are complications - I was born in Earley (SE of Reading by
a mile), but since moving to Australia, have "gone native". Not to be confused
with Maiden Erleigh, also pronounced "early", but using the archaic spelling.
> Mike Llaneza wrote:
> Oerjan Ariander wrote:
Sorry, but as a furriner I really *don't* consider being a proper noun to be a
valid excuse for not following the same pronounciation rules as other
word classes... :-)
Regards,
This from the guy with the Tom Lehrer quote in his signature. "Hen3ry... the 3
is silent.":)
--Greg
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Oerjan Ariander wrote:
> Mike Llaneza wrote:
> Greg wrote:
> > Sorry, but as a furriner I really *don't* consider being a proper
Precisely - pointing out the absurdities in English pronounciation in
each
and every post I send :-)
/Oerjan
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> >