[GZG] ESU Ural class Naval station : Irkutsk - 337 - WIP

A naval station in progress:

http://www.star-ranger.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=857

Very nice model! It looks very ESU-ish; None of your pansy curves for
them!

The proposed weapon fit looked a bit odd though. Single-arc heavy
beam batteries on a platform that can't manoeuvre (at least it appears to have
no thrust rating)? There *are* three Class 5 batteries though, so one would
only need to pay for one extra arc per
battery to get all-round coverage. Two 3-arc C5s would be cheaper.
Definitely what Jack O'Neill would call "Honkin' great space-guns",
and I have a weakness for them that I blame on E.E.Smith...

I'd probably drop the missiles and give it more point defence, because
fighters and missiles would seem the greatest threat, but YMMV.

Best regards, Robert Bryett rbryett@mail.com

> On 13/10/2005, at 8:34 AM, Claus Paludan wrote:

> A naval station in progress:

> Robert N Bryett wrote:

> them!

Thank you.... I think most people don't realise the beauty of design from the
old mother land...:)

> The proposed weapon fit looked a bit odd though. Single-arc heavy

Well it's experimental at best - first of all this is my first go at a
"building" for FT, second we have never tried the 5 beams before and while I
wanted a station that could take care of it self, I didn't want to end up with
a thing that was too powerful..

As for cheapness - well with a thing this size... it doesn't really
matter:) But during our work with the SSD last night some things seemed

odd and we might change the allocation of PDS etc to the various sections.

Note: what can't be seen from the mail is the separation into sectors. Roughly
we have made 5 sectors:
The SDN full dock area - only about 20 or 30 hull boxes
The side with no docking bays The side with the two large docking bays The
side with the long built up area (with the red star) and two small docking
bays The tower

The SDN dock area only got a few beam 1 and some PDS + FC (1)
The beam 5 and 3 were placed on each of the other sides together with PDS and
FC's All armour was placed on these three sides as well.

2 fighter bays was placed at the side with the long building, the other 2 on
the opposite side.. You might be able to catch a glimpse of those (underneath
the station) in the last image imgp4958.jpg (where the fighters can be seen).

> I'd probably drop the missiles and give it more point defence,

Yes - that is what I have been thinking as well (especially after we
tried out the fighter rules hehe.

Furthermore the tower probably needs to be beefed up a little - it
currently lacks some weapons and defence systems - didn't think much of
that when I designed the thing in the shiptool - but hey... it's a
learning experience:)

Thanks for the feedback!

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In a message dated 10/13/05 2:26:54 AM,
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> A naval station in progress:
Nice.. Solid looking..

Fighters for close defense, But those Class-5 with only 1 arc each??
Looks odd, without the ability to move.. U might loose 1, and be unable to
"support" yourself..

Prehaps dropping 4 of the AFDC, and adding   in 8 PDF, to help pretect
the station...

What level of Screen Generators does this have...   When I # crunched it
I come up with 4 sets of Screen Generators

And I think the amount of Cargo that the Station has, is much to limited...
What about dropping 1 or 2 Screen Generator for more Cargo, and some "Crew
space" unboard so the ships can use the station for Liberty port.

Have a Good One, DOC Agren    (Lurker on the Digest)

> DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:

The class-5 have now been updated to have the 3 frontal arcs as the
class-3 batteries.

> Prehaps dropping 4 of the AFDC, and adding in 8 PDF, to help pretect

Each section now have 3PDS+4 class-1 batteries

> What level of Screen Generators does this have... When I # crunched

It now has two... (and we have not number crunched it again - just
changed the SSD to fit our needs;)

> And I think the amount of Cargo that the Station has, is much to

Good idea - I will add more cargo - it seems fitting as well.. (might
even fit one of those Repair facilitis (without the MU reach of the original
idea... any one have a SSD icon for the new item hehe:)

Furthermore I have added some amour boxes etc.. I will try and upload the SSD
as well tonight...

> Claus Paludan wrote:

> A naval station in progress:

...though you may want to change the class name, since "Ural" is the class
name for the new ESU DD (the FT-235)...

Later,

> Oerjan Ariander wrote:

Ahhh thanks (rather embarrasing..... ew!!!) well the Department of Ship

Naming didn't send out the memo to the Department of Naval Station
Naming....

Hmmmm.. perhaps I should just take the name and turn it into the class..

Irkutsk... hmmm - must go thinking.....

Here is the SSD (ms-word format)

> On 10/13/05, Claus Paludan <cpaludan@tiscali.dk> wrote:

And neither department would probably be amused by suggestions for naming it
the "Gulag" class....

> Brian B wrote:

Nopes - neither department are easily amused.... :)

On the contrary, Claus, the department heads are very jovial, and will be
delighted to show their easy, good natured humor by assigning the suggestor of
such an appellation to the station that owns, and richly deserves, that
name. ;->=

Enjoyably located off local shipping lanes, and entirely too close to a
contested NSL frontier. Where transfers to positions on Warsaw DD's actually
abound...

The_Beast

> Brian B wrote:

> Doug Evans wrote:

HEHE - I guess you are right!!!!

> Enjoyably located off local shipping lanes, and entirely too close to

We can do much better around here... this is a heavily contested Kra'vak

frontier....  :)

For what it is worth... class name suggestions are more than welcome...

> Brian B wrote:

Nopes - neither department are easily amused.... :)

And the assignment of the four Penal battalions are after all just
rumor....)

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:07:42PM -0500, Don M wrote:

> And the assignment of the four Penal battalions are after all just

The crews of Zinoviev Flot' are always willing to give press interviews about
their experiences aboard the attack boats (less charitably described as "a
submunition and a drive system"). They are glad to have paid their debt to the
State. Very few of those sentenced to Zinoviev Flot' reoffend!

R

> The crews of Zinoviev Flot' are always willing to give press

How many of them survive to have the _opportunity_ to re-offend...?

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:05:27PM -0400, Laserlight wrote:

> How many of them survive to have the _opportunity_ to re-offend...?

All of those whom the press has the opportunity to interview.

R

> On 10/13/05, Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net> wrote:

See?  that's the kind of defeatist hair-splitting that obsctructs the
progress of the Revolution! You wouldn't want to obstruct the Revolution,
would you, Comrade?

The crews of Zinoviev Flot' are always willing to give press interviews about
their experiences aboard the attack boats (less charitably described as "a
submunition and a drive system"). They are glad to have paid their debt to the
State. Very few of those sentenced to Zinoviev Flot' reoffend!

How many of them survive to have the _opportunity_ to re-offend...?

***Survival is a rather relative term when one considers the partial lobotomy
necessary in the installation of the direct data links to opreate their attack
boats.It may not render them entirely human. That determination is for
qualified medical personal to make.....

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:21:45PM -0500, Don M wrote:

> ***Survival is a rather relative term when one considers the partial

Direct data links? Bozhe moi, how many rubles do you think we _have_?

(See Fleet Book I, under the Lenov scoutship; the Zinoviev attack boat
is an alternative designation for the Lenov/S model.)

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> Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:
That
> >determination is for qualified medical personal to make.....
Well, nowhere is it written that they are high quality data links... after
all, the goal is to create a cost-effective system, da comrade?

Direct data links? Bozhe moi, how many rubles do you think we _have_?

(See Fleet Book I, under the Lenov scoutship; the Zinoviev attack boat
is an alternative designation for the Lenov/S model.)

***I didn't say they were careful about it.........)

I said:
> > How many of them survive to have the _opportunity_ to

Brian said:
> See? that's the kind of defeatist hair-splitting that obsctructs

Well, speaking as a good capitalist, yes, I would. :-)

> Direct data links? Bozhe moi, how many rubles do you think we

I'd heard they just super-glue the pilot's hands to the sticks....

> Direct data links? Bozhe moi, how many rubles do you think we _have_?

Now, I'm afaid you're all missing the point; very, very few data link
operations occur. It's just that the procedure obviously assists survivability
to the point that it's the entire group that have the opportunity to praise
the State for the chance to so gloriously serve.

And any suggestion that the cerebral operations were in preparation for those
press conferences, and occurred AFTER the battles that left the heroes alive
but unable to further serve in the VKF, is treasonous drivel spread by enemies
against the people!

The_Beast

> Brian B wrote:

> And neither department would probably be amused by suggestions for

But both departments might end up more motivated...

I'd like to nominate this class as the "Stakhanov" and the indivdual units as
notable winners of the award.

We, in the department of Naval Station Naming, are happy to see these
suggestions..

For now we have these names: Gulag Stakhanov Ushakov Ural (which we of course
can't use due to the mistake of the Department of Ship Naming.. stupid
bureaucrats!!!! they are not like the efficient people of THIS office!!!)

> Michael Llaneza wrote:

G'day,

> How many of them survive to have the _opportunity_ to re-offend...?

If the ESU holdings are anything like Vladivostok the odd bullet based
punishment wouldn't phase them in the slightest, be positiviely old hat.

Cheers