GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

25 posts ยท May 18 2004 to May 24 2004

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:51:32 -0500

Subject: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

This is primarily addressed to the  GZG list (gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu)
but it has application to the other lists.

I see that GZG has the following (human) figures in all scales above:

NAC NI NSL FSE ESU UNSC Japan Corporate mercs IF

the following in 15 and 25 mm lines:

Colonial FCT Scan. Fed. Hammer's Slammers

And, to complete the list, in 25 mm only:

 IC
Dutch Generic Mercs OUDF PAU RH

On the GZG list I wanted to ask Jon Tuffley if there are any plans to get the
IC in 15 or 6 mm scale?

How much interest is there in the expansion of the 15 and/or 6 mm scales
by GZG? Yes, I know Jon is busy casting, packaging and marketing the
diverse FT/SG 2/DS 2 lines plus working on FT 3/DS
3/FMA/BDS/yada-yada-yada but an unscientific poll about what would be
nice 'next' in SG 2 terms couldn't hurt, right? What's the top 3 to 4 for each
of you? And how serious are you about committing to buying some?

MY votes (in priority order) would be:

1) 15 mm IC (I would commit to 3 packs minimum, 6 maximum in advance)
2)    6 mm IC (I would commit to 4 packs min. if the 15 mm IC were not
produced) 3) 15 mm RH ( no commitments if the IC are produced, 3 packs minimum
if not)
4)    6 mm generics/mercs (no commitments at this moment)

Now, aliens, that is another thread... <grin> and a lower priority.

Gracias,

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:06:47 +0100

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> This is primarily addressed to the GZG list (gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu)

From: Karl A. Bergman <karlbergman@c...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 06:53:00 -0700

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

I would be interested in the 6mm figures as that is the only scale that I
collect.  Not enough room/painting skills for the larger scales.

[quoted original message omitted]

From: Andy Cowell <andy@c...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:55:50 -0400

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

In message <LPBBIJLDOKJOHKCMOCLJCELNNJAA.karlbergman@wavecable.com>, "Karl A.
B
> ergman" writes:

I would have bought some Kra'Vak Power Armor last night in 6mm if they were
around.

From: Thomas Pope <tpope@c...>

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:29:24 -0400

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> They're not high on our priority lists at the moment,

I'd love to see some additions fo the 6mm line, but my tastes are rather in
the minority, since I use them to play SG2. So, I'm more interested in
extensions to existing troops (scouts, medics, vehicle crew and other
specialists) than I am in adding additional forces.

However, I really, really, REALLY want to see both the figures and vehicles
from the Hammer's Slammers line in 6mm!

Tom

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:32:07 -0500

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Well in my imaginary "Jon is cloned" world - more 6 and 15 mm lines from
the current excellent 25 mm lines plus more extensive specialists plus weapons
sprue too.

As an aside, Brigade models is planning some 'generic' 6 mm infantry to
include (IIRC) specialists. I plan to try them out for one of my current
'nations/groups' for DS 2.

Hopefully they will be more compatible the Alternative Amy figures I use for
one group...

Gracias, Glenn

On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:29:24 -0400 "Thomas Pope" <tpope@cs.cmu.edu>
writes:
> They're not high on our priority lists at the moment,

From: Thomas Pope <tpope@c...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:43:19 -0400

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> As an aside, Brigade models is planning some

I am aware of them, particulalry since I'm the one who's going to be
sculpting them.  Just as soon as I recover from New Baby Syndrome.  :-)

> Hopefully they will be more compatible the

I plan on making them close in scale to the current set of GZG 6mm figures,
though they might end up a bit thinner. I haven't seen the AA figures, so I
can't comment on how well they'll match.

Tom

From: bbrush@u...

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:19:33 -0500

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 05/21/2004 09:43:19 AM:

> > As an aside, Brigade models is planning some
:-)
> [quoted text omitted]

Some say you never recover from this. I'm still recovering from my first child
and she's 4 now.

From: damosan@c...

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:06:02 +0000

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> Some say you never recover from this. I'm still recovering from my

I hear that. I got two 4 year olds and another on the way.

From: Grant A. Ladue <ladue@c...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> > Some say you never recover from this. I'm still recovering from my

Hmm, I've got 3 girls. The oldest turns 5 in 4 weeks. The middle is
3 1/2.
The youngest will be 2 in 3 weeks. On top of that, last fall the youngest just
out of the blue starts being sick. A month later, the beginning of October,
she gets a liver transplant. All I gotta say is that they better
 be good gamers when they get older!  :-)

From: Thomas Pope <tpope@c...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:36:53 -0400

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> > I am aware of them, particulalry since I'm the one

I've just about recovered from my first child (3 1/2 years old) so I
expect this recovery to be quicker. I've got practice after all...

Tom

From: bbrush@u...

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:39:14 -0500

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Oh you're in for a shock. Didn't anyone tell you that going from 1 kid to 2
kids is an exponential increase in work? I hear that from 2 to 3 it's not as
bad, but I'm not sure I believe it.

Bill

owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 05/21/2004 12:36:53 PM:

> > > I am aware of them, particulalry since I'm the one

From: John K Lerchey <lerchey@a...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:48:48 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Famous last words.:)

J

John K. Lerchey Computer and Network Security Coordinator Computing Services
Carnegie Mellon University

> On Fri, 21 May 2004, Thomas Pope wrote:

> > > I am aware of them, particulalry since I'm the one

From: Karl A. Bergman <karlbergman@c...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:06:51 -0700

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Believe me, you never quite recover. My kids are now 21, 23, 25 and 26, and
somewhere along the way I seemed to collect several others that spent a lot of
their life growing up at my place. And now to add to the previous mix I get
grandkids also. So I guess you could say you never get to recover, but it is
still well worth it.

[quoted original message omitted]

From: damosan@c...

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:30:37 +0000

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> Believe me, you never quite recover.

I don't doubt that...but I do say that certain things get easier while other
things get more difficult as time goes on.

Just this morning I was putting some minis together and the older of my
daughters (by about 5 minutes) was handling the sprue snippers quite well
(with some direction).

From: John K Lerchey <lerchey@a...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:53:52 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

So, getting back to the subject of 6mm infantry, I checked Alternative Armies
web pages to check out their line. It looks like a nice source for some basic
infantry, but their images a) are fuzzy and b) only show HQ units.

For anyone who has any of these minis,

- do they come on bases of 4 figures (as is implied in the description)?
- how do they compare size-wise with either gzg or H&R infantry?
- any chance of a description of the uniforms and weapons for
        - crusaders
        - khan
        - levys

?

Thanks,

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:59:00 -0400

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Bah!  From 2-3 for my wife and I was the threshhold at which things got
very interesting.

Once we were out-numbered ALL the dynamics changed!

> On Friday 21 May 2004 01:39 pm, Bill Brush wrote:

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:43:56 -0500

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

The resources on this list awe me.

Take you time, Tom. Tomorrow would be okay. <VBG> Seriously, take all the time
you need. I can use GZG stuff then I'll have two units (one in Uniform A and
one in Uniform B.) I should note that I am thinking I'll use the 15 mm AA as
PA (Armor D 10) in SG 2 for the LLAR and we'll see how the 6 mm AA figures
compare to GZG (and future Brigade) stuff. before I can place them in the
'proper' role.

Gracias, Glenn

On Fri, 21 May 2004 10:43:19 -0400 "Thomas Pope" <tpope@cs.cmu.edu>
writes:
> As an aside, Brigade models is planning some

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:47:23 -0500

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

I have four (32 male married with two perfect children, 30 going on 13
male living on is own - no children - that I know of, an almost 16
female, and just 11 female) so I can vouch that the insanity/brain
damage is forever.

Gracias, Glenn

On Fri, 21 May 2004 10:19:33 -0500 Bill Brush <bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu>
writes:
> owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 05/21/2004 09:43:19 AM:

From: Andy Cowell <andy@c...>

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:13:05 -0400

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

In message <0899124071ABF2439E3F610BF17E6EB001DE62DB@E2K.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU>,
"Thom
> as Pope" writes:

> > As an aside, Brigade models is planning some 'generic' 6 mm infantry
:-)

I'm not sure what is meant by "specialists," but I feel GZG's biggest
gap is in crew-served weapons.  Big, heavy ground mount APSWs (think .50
cal and grenade launchers), andd actual ATGMs (NOT shoulder launched,
more like a TOW, or at least bulky, ground-mounted like a Javelin or a
Dragon).  Heck, make the firer bare-headed, and have a low-tech
(fatigues), mid-tech (body armor) and high-tech (hardsuit), and you
could fit them in every GZG army by putting a real figure on the stand.

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:38:52 -0500

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> On Fri, 21 May 2004 20:13:05 -0400 Andy Cowell <andy@cowell.org> writes:

Hallelujah and Amen. Add a AAM bearing figure, possibly a Flame thrower weapon
carrier and perhaps a figure with a satchel charge (For assaults on
structures) also to that list.

Gracias,

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 08:02:07 -0500

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> On Sat, 22 May 2004 06:38:52 -0500 <warbeads@juno.com> writes:
<snip> Aaarrrrgh make that SAM unless the trooper hasd wings or
jet-pack!

> Hallelujah and Amen. Add a AAM bearing figure, possibly a Flame

From: Scott Siebold <gamers@a...>

Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> > Eh? We've had secure shopping facilities for the

I have been ordering overseas (as from US to Europe) for a number of years. I
have established a number of rules on using credit cards and so far so good.
The rules are:
1) Use paypal if at all possible - this is
   double blind credit card -> paypal
   paypal -> seller and the most you can loose
is the sales price (I have lost and on Ebay purchase no less). A nice feature
is payments can be made in several currencies (I pay in British pounds and am
billed in US dollars) 2) If you send credit card buy only from a company you
know and has existed for
   2+ years. Keep up on industry news and
if there is a rumor of a problem DON"T BUY from that company. 3) When sending
credit card over Internet it must be handled in one of two ways:
   - Secure website (htmls)
   - Split the credit card number over
two Emails so that the loss of one Email will not be a disaster. If in doubt
use snail mail to send order. 4) Find credit card company that is fast to flag
suspicious purchase. Every credit card purchase I make over a certain limit or
overseas is flagged. Seller contacts me, I contact credit card issuer and
identify myself and authorize purchase and seller reissue goes through (I did
this with GZG and warned them it would be flagged).

I suspect that over the next few years that the ability to make secure
purchases will improve.

From: Thomas Pope <tpope@c...>

Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:27:23 -0400

Subject: RE: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

> I'm not sure what is meant by "specialists," but I

The current plans include 4-5 regular troops with rifles, one officer
(pistol), one or two crewmen, possibly a sniper and a GMS/L team.

It's possible I can re-use the GMS team members for other crew served
weapons, and I'm not opposed to a few more varieties of heavy weapons.

We'll see... I need to start sculpting the prototypes first at any rate.

Tom

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:46 -0400

Subject: Re: GZG 6/15/25 mm infantry figures questions

Consider setting up a Visa-branded card with a short credit limit--eg
one tied to a savings account with, say, $100 or $200 in it.