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those who play 15mm and base their figs for skirmish action (rather than on
group stands):
On what do you base your figures? A penny? A washer? If it is a washer, how
big? Something else?
I've now got (shudder) some 15mm figures and must (shudder) base them to
consider (cringe) painting them (or more likely getting someone with better
eyes to do that). I'd like them to be usable with 15mm deckplans and on
15mm-scaled map grids. I plan to use them for RPGs, FMAS and SG style
games. I'd rather avoid the group basing, though I have an idea for building
generic group bases they could sit onto, once I figure out what size or
roundish thingie I should be basing them on....
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use pennies. They are cheaper than washers.
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> Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those who play 15mm and base their figs for skirmish action
Hehehehehehehe....
> and must (shudder) base them to consider (cringe) painting them (or
Glasses, my friend. I'm wearing them now. 8-/
> I'd like them to be usable with 15mm deckplans and on 15mm-scaled map
90% of my skirmish 15mm figs I have not based. I just painted or flocked the
'natural' base that attached to the fit. For *me* this has been fine. For
others, I know they prefer additional basing. Esp for those prone to being
tipped over.
The few I have based I've used small washers that are a few mm larger in
diameter than the figure base. I've seen people use pennies, too. Those
usually fit onto 15mm deckplans, but I think not always. <shrug>
Do you have any 15mm deckplans available to you? You could measure them out
with a penny and see... :-)
Mk
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Most of the GZG figures have enough of an integral base to not need anything
additional, in my experience.
For some non-GZG figures that I did have to base, I used tiny washers
- the figures are buried in a box currently, but I think they're 12mm
washers. Superglue and a smear of putty holds them nicely.
Plus, I hate oversized bases on ordinary human figures. They crowd the table
excessively, especially if buildings get involved, doubly so if building
interiors are a factor. Even my 28mm stuff is on 20mm bases, max, or pennies,
which are about 19mm wide.
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> On what do you base your figures? A penny? A washer? If it is a
I use fender washers.
We have two Pier One end tables with four "map drawers". These are fairly
shallow drawers, just perfect for miniatures. I have magnetic sheet in the
drawers. The figures stick to the sheets well enough when you pull them out of
the drawer.
Pennies are cheaper, but they don't stick to magnets.
I haven't, yet figured out a good way to base them for individual skirmish
games and for larger scale games. Fortunately, I have few of either types of
rules so it's not a huge deal yet.
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like to get some ideas from you guys too. I got my 15mm stuff a while
back, and haven't figured out the penny/washer conundrum yet either. As
said above, the pennies are cheaper, but I was thinking that with steel
washers I could store the little devils on a strip of magnetic tape in a game
box. My problem is finding a decent bulk pack of small fender washers that
doesn't cost 10 cents each.
Both a penny and most washers are going to be larger than a 15mm deck
plan. Both run about 18 - 20 mm. I learned the hard way.
I'd suggest using 15mm square wood bases from Litko and adding 15mm magnetic
sheet. It would help with facing restrictions if you're using something like
Azhanti High Lightening.
Your other option is to take a small ruler with you to the hardware
store. Look for 1/4" Cut washers. The 1/4" measurement is the center
hole diameter. The diameter of the washer varies greatly by brand. There
are smaller sizes out there, you'll have to look for them.
-Mark
> Tom B wrote:
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personally use 15mm rounds from Litko. both the 0.8mm and 1.5mm thicknesses,
that way I can adjust the height of figures in relation to each other.
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 14:00, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those who play 15mm and base their figs for skirmish action
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That is why I end up using money. It may not be magnetic, but it's cheap. I
was lucky enough at one point to have a friend who worked in a fabrication
shop who was allowed to punch whatever he wanted out of scrap steel. We had
quite a few 25mm stainless steel discs for use with
25/28mm figs or for multi-basing 15mm (about 3 to a base looked really
nice). Butter up your friends who work in fab shops.
-Eli
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e good ideas. I never thought of the penny as 2cm across. Hmmm. Dimes would be
small enough, but basing a squad then costs the better part of
$1
and I'm not sure if they'll stick to magstrip.
Small washers might be ideal, but what I really want are small round metal
cutouts. I don't want the hole because some of the 15mm figs have rather thin
rectangularish bases that would leave an annoying opening to have to putty
around.
I saw Carl had some round metal bases at ECC but I never thought to check for
a small one. Maybe the business card Carl gave me has an email I can contact
him at.
My plan (if I cannot get a magnetic base) is to cut small matching circles out
of magsheet and glue them to the bottoms, thus making them magnetic. Then
metal strips will make a good carrier.
To do squad or fireteam mounts, I was thinking of using balsa, but using a
squarish metal base would be fine too. Mark standard round-base sized
spots on the thing, paint it, putty it up leaving those spaces cleared, flock
it, etc. and there you go. If I end up putting mag sheet on my fig bases, then
they plop nicely onto the 4-8 man group base.
I tried larger fender washers for 25mm and found them hateful. The pennies
were much better bases. And they fit 25mm deck plans. I guess a 15mm deck
plan would be in the range of 15-18mm width, so a 20mm penny would be
too big.
The normal bases won't do because some are thin and long and the figures will
spend all their time lying down.
Thanks for the suggestions so far. Time to fire up google and see what I can
find.
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Small washers might be ideal, but what I really want are small round
No. You put a strip of cellophane tape, a tiny strip, over the hole. Then you
paint and flock the washer. No filling of the hole needed. Once it's flocked,
you don't see the tape.
> I tried larger fender washers for 25mm and found them hateful.
What was wrong with the washers?
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> Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Small washers might be ideal, but what I really want are small round
Yeah, I found that, too.
> I saw Carl had some round metal bases at ECC but I never thought to
Keep trying outside the box; I've found electrical outlet box punch out
tabs at about US nickel (5 cent piece) size to be either fair 25-28mm
bases, or very good inserts to GW round bases to add stability. Haven't ever
done the magnetic sheet thing, but they are ferrous.
Helps to have regular construction in the workplace building.
There has to be something similar but smaller...
The_Beast
> Keep trying outside the box; I've found electrical outlet box punch out
Having had problems with figs based on cardboard squares, I'd probably go with
sheet styrene, and stick the mag sheeting to it instead. Easy to cut
in 1/2" strips, then chop 1/2" squares. The styrene is pretty light, but
the added bulk of the mag vinyl should be sufficient for 15mm, as long as they
aren't scaled seven foot, genetically maladjusted freaks of nature.
By the way, the blank die cut counters are still available, I think from
Chessex as well as others, at least in the US.
YMMV, of course.
The_Beast
Sai^^^ GZG Jon wrote on 03/05/2009 07:49:42 AM:
> >Keep trying outside the box; I've found electrical outlet box punch
Haven't
> >ever done the magnetic sheet thing, but they are ferrous.
> Having had problems with figs based on cardboard squares, I'd probably
Of course, if you want to go the styrene sheet route then just buy a
sheet of Evergreen 1/2" tile, and snap it into single squares - that
way you don't even need to do any measuring, marking or cutting, and you end
up with nice little bevelled edges on the bases too. Get some
1/2" magnetic strip, stick lots of the Evergreen squares to it and
trim to length, and you're there! :-)
Jon (GZG)
> By the way, the blank die cut counters are still available, I think
Haven't
> >ever done the magnetic sheet thing, but they are ferrous.
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Out buying terrain supplies last night and I thought of this post and so
decided to go price washers as it had been a bit since I actually had. It was
crazy. For a hand full of washers the price was over $2. Which makes using
coins all the more appealing. I don't have any use for magnetics so this suits
me. I just lined my carrying case with a couple
of strips of double-sided carpet tape.
-Eli
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And Jon with a great idea! That's almost too simple sounding to be real.
-Eli
I think I need to break out Azahanti High Lightening
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From: "Ground Zero Games" <jon@gzg.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:49 AM
To: <gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [GZG] 15mm figure skirmish basing
> Keep trying outside the box; I've found electrical outlet box punch
Haven't
> ever done the magnetic sheet thing, but they are ferrous.
Ok, St. Jon wrote on 03/05/2009 10:40:55 AM:
> >Having had problems with figs based on cardboard squares, I'd
Ah, I've not seen this amongst Evergreen's stuff, but it makes perfect sense,
and
a great idea with the 1/2" mag strips. I've been wanting to put some
micromachine figs on bases for years, and this may be the simplest way.
Star Wars Miniatures, the travel edition! Thanks!
I've thought about just adhering a paper-punch dot of mag sheet to the
base of the fig, but this would be far better.
I'll probably still scribe the back of the sheet; I seem to be well able to
deform in nasty ways styrene, even when it's propped against a nice, sharp
table edge.
Eli-
> Out buying terrain supplies last night and I thought of this post and
For a hand full of
> washers the price was over $2.
Isn't it just? Had the same reaction, and I went looking awhile ago. They are
very pretty, though...
Wait, a hand full for only $2? Where do you shop?!? ;->=
> Ok, St. Jon wrote on 03/05/2009 10:40:55 AM:
Trust me, you really don't need to do that. The Evergreen tile
(especially in the larger tile sizes like the 1/2" we're considering)
is very, very easy to snap into squares just with finger pressure. The only
time I ever take a scalpel to it is if I'm cutting some of
the very tiny tiles (1/8" and smaller) where you just can't hold them
firmly enough to snap off a single strip. The beauty of it is that it snaps
cleanly every time, you don't even need to take a file to the edges of the
squares.
Note that I have NOT used this idea for figure basing myself - it
just came to me while I was reading the various posts on this thread, as I use
a lot of the Evergreen stuff in building masters it just seems so obvious that
I wonder why I never thought of it for bases before!
Now that I've thought of it, I'll have to try it to base up a few individuals
(command figures, characters etc) to go with my group
based troops which are mainly on FoW bases. :-)
Jon (GZG)
> Eli-
They
> are very pretty, though...