grav everywhere

4 posts ยท Nov 19 2001 to Nov 19 2001

From: bbrush@u...

Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:23:02 -0600

Subject: grav everywhere

I've been following the thread on grav vehicles with some interest (DSII
being my game of choice in GZG-land).

My overly literal mind keeps coming back to the same thing. "If it works like
that, yes; otherwise....."

What it all boils down to is "How do grav drives work?" In the one
sci-fi
universe that I'm familiar with where this is addressed (Renegade Legion)
Grav drives are not "anti-gravity" per se.  The grav drives warp the
planetary gravity "field" around the tank so that the tank effectively "falls"
in the direction of travel. IIRC the crew has artificial gravity inside so
that they don't notice the difference. The tank grav drives require more power
the weaker the gravity field they're warping, so that the farther away from
the surface the more power it takes to move. This effectively limits them to
modern helicopter performance envelopes (at least for altitude). The game also
had other mechanisms to keep your tank on the ground (the weak bottom armor
and no ballistic protection on the record sheet).

This is obviously just one set of PSB that is made to justify the way that
game works. Anyone can make up a PSB to make things work like they want.

The more I think about levitation type propulsion systems the less suitable I
find them (from a technical standpoint) for combat missions. With anything
that hovers over the ground you're going to be subject to "unintended
movement". This could be as simple as wind, or as complex as collisions or
projectile impacts. You also have terrain limitations (ie GEV's aren't good at
hill climbing). With tracks or wheels "station keeping" is as simple as
stopping where you want. Obviously for grav this depends on how your grav
drive works. If it works like the ones in RL then it's simply a matter of
having the computer adjust the warping so that the tank stays where you put it
and compensate for impacts. If it's true
anti-gravity (as in the tank is not affected by gravity) then you have
the
the biggest air-hocky puck ever made.  Mag-lev without the rails.

Gravity being the least understood of the cosmic forces the possibilities
are truly mind boggling.  One sci-fi story written about someone who
creates anti-gravity  postulates that in an area where gravity was not
in effect then neither would Eistein's relativity be in effect and therefore
objects could attain a velocity of C instantly. It would effectively mean
that true anti-gravity would give limitless energy.

This is all JMO, and I'm sure that given sufficient incentive some brainiac
will come up with a way to make a floating vehicle stay where it's put, but
there are much easier and more reliable alternatives.

From: Jaime Tiampo <fugu@s...>

Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:58:07 -0800

Subject: Re: grav everywhere

> bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu wrote:

> Gravity being the least understood of the cosmic forces the

I believe this was an Asimov story and it was just a plot device for the
story, the real story being a rivalry between two people, one the theoritician
and the other the engineering applicator. It ends with a
pools ball going through the anti-gravity field, excellerating to C and
putting a whole in the engineer's head.

From: bbrush@u...

Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:04:34 -0600

Subject: Re: grav everywhere

That was the story. I couldn't remember who wrote it or what the name was.
Regardless I find it a fascinating example of what "could" happen if gravity
was cancelled entirely. Asimov was one of the greatest "hard"
sci-fi writers out there, and this story is a wonderful example of how
we don't KNOW what something so commonly talked about would actually mean.

Bill

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> bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu wrote:

> Gravity being the least understood of the cosmic forces the

I believe this was an Asimov story and it was just a plot device for the
story, the real story being a rivalry between two people, one the theoritician
and the other the engineering applicator. It ends with a
pools ball going through the anti-gravity field, excellerating to C and
putting a whole in the engineer's head.

Jaime

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:49:20 -0800

Subject: Re: grav everywhere

Well put. One suggestion I have is to accept the DSII rules as is for
scenarios played in the Tuffleyverse, but if you're playing in another
gameverse, come up with a set of additional abilities and limitations on

Grav based on how it's explained in that universe.

Brian

"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."

                                 - S. Freud

> From: bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu
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> effectively limits them to modern helicopter performance envelopes (at