Glen Bailey's ship designs

3 posts ยท Jun 29 2000 to Jun 29 2000

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:50:44 +0200

Subject: Re: Glen Bailey's ship designs

Quite a few interesting ones here.

General note: Many SSDs show armour boxes in two "layers". According to the
NPVs of the ships this is an artistic convention to save space;
these ships all have in fact human-style single-layer armour. It does
*NOT* represent Phalon-style multiple-layer shells. Not sure if Glen
has FB2 yet, but it may be worthwhile to include a note about this on the web
page.

bluefrtr: Most of these are taken directly from FB1 (Free Trader, Small
Freighter, Bulk Carrier). While the SSDs are nice-looking, please check
what Jon T. says about putting the published designs on the web. I'd be
interested to see the design calculations behind the "Escort" though (and for
the other tugs as well).

bluetorp: I must say that the ICE "Revenge" model looks a bit small for a
TMF 214 ship, but YMMV :-/

fwar: WBB and WBN both uses 1 Mass and 4 points too many, suggesting that they
have 1 FCS too many.

hweb: The TMF 60 ship has 1 hull box too many (should have 18, not 19). OK,
under the FB2 rules it is OK to have 19 hull boxes on a TMF 60 ship, but it
uses 1 Mass and 2 points more than specified so it's either hull or armour <g>

General Klingon question: What does the special Klingon FTL symbol (with 2
wavy lines instead of 1) stand for?

kdntorp: The first TMF 184 ship should have 14/14/13/13 hull boxes, not
14/14/14/12.

ksdndn: The DN has 2 unused Mass (PDS or weapon).

wgcv: The Tsunami should only have 11 hull boxes, not 12 (corrected on my
BMPs).

wingdef: The TMF 240 variant should have 4 FCSs (otherwise it has 1 Mass and 4
points left unused); the SSD only shows 3.

Regards,

From: GBailey@a...

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:15:21 EDT

Subject: Re: Glen Bailey's ship designs

> Quite a few interesting ones here.

Wow! I'm flattered.

> General note: Many SSDs show armour boxes in two "layers". According

I do not have FB2.    Yes, the double armor is purely a space saver.
You mean now I have to change all my designs? Actually, only those without
shields get extra armor, but once Steve leaves the area (*sniff* he lost his
job and got another upstate) I'll probably cut down the amount of armor. He
just rolls an inordinate amount of 6s with beam dice. I think he takes my 6s
because I sure don't roll many.

> bluefrtr: Most of these are taken directly from FB1 (Free Trader,

Umm, you mean any ship I design that has the same systems as a published
design but layed out differently with a different silhouette outline is
copyrighted? Although, I do mention them as coming from the published designs.
:) I'll remove them from the page.

> bluetorp: I must say that the ICE "Revenge" model looks a bit small

When in "reality" all ships are really the size of a pinhead on top of the
stand? Newer designs along the same lines using the same mini are smaller
(mass 124
- 144).
One only has so many miniatures, and this is one of my favorite.

> fwar: WBB and WBN both uses 1 Mass and 4 points too many, suggesting

From: GBailey@a...

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:27:06 EDT

Subject: Re: Glen Bailey's ship designs

> Quite a few interesting ones here.

*blush* Thanks!

> General note: Many SSDs show armour boxes in two "layers". According

I do not have FB2, yet; it is on order. Yes, the double layer armor is
for aesthetic and space-saving reasons.  Now I have to change those?

> bluefrtr: Most of these are taken directly from FB1 (Free Trader,

Umm, a design that happens to have the same systems as a published design but
layed out differently or in a different silhouette is copyrighted? Although, I
do mention that they come from the Fleet Book.:) I'll remove them as they were
there just to show my artistic talent in silhouette design. (VBG)

"Escort" (Gazelle class)
Mass 60, average hull (18), FTL + 20 towing capacity (10), MD4
(12 mass, which comes out to 15% when towing 20 mass, 80 total,
and thus becomes MD3), Armor 4, Screen-1 (4 mass instead of 3
to cover the 20 towed mass), 2 FC, 2 PDS, 4 class-1 beams,
2 class-2 beams (FP+F+FS).
The miniature has two "fuel tanks" that are detachable by the
game rules it comes from, I changed them into 4 mass-5 cargo pods
to operate as a cargo-capable convoy escort.
Yes, the mass indicates a light cruiser based on FB's mass classification but
it isn't that capable. As an escort it probably
should trade in some class-1 beams for PDS and add an ADFC.

> bluetorp: I must say that the ICE "Revenge" model looks a bit small

I only have so many non-SFB/Star Trek miniatures that some do
extra duty, besides it's another favorite miniature of mine. Some newer
designs using the same mini and similar systems but are smaller
(3 & 4 pulse torps, beam-1s instead of the 2s, mass 124 & 144).

> fwar: WBB and WBN both uses 1 Mass and 4 points too many, suggesting

How'd that happen?:) Good thing they haven't been used in combat or my
opponents might think I was cheating. Naw, I lose too much for them to think
that.

> hweb: The TMF 60 ship has 1 hull box too many (should have 18, not

Alright, what dock workers stuck on the fake hull space to hide the contraband
in? The ship must operate in the "Caribbean" sector.:)

> General Klingon question: What does the special Klingon FTL symbol

I figured the wavy FTL line is the "warp" signature, so I made each
SFB/ST race have a different signature.  The Kzin and Lyran use an
upside-down W ("cat ears" but don't let them know I did it that way),
the Romulans have two lines that curve around a dot (black-hole
singularity), the Hydrans have a single curvy line that is just different, the
Andromedans have a sharply pointed crooked line without curves, & the Gorns
use the same as the Feds which is a single line similar to the standard one. I
made the Klingon one
a double line as it's not as "clean" or an efficient FTL/warp design.

> kdntorp: The first TMF 184 ship should have 14/14/13/13 hull boxes,

Yeah, I caught that one later. Still one of my favorite designs.

Maybe that's where the "hweb" hull space came from?:)

> ksdndn: The DN has 2 unused Mass (PDS or weapon).

I really need to update my pages. I've used various designs based on the
Winged Defender miniature with some success, especially the all pulse torpedo
variants. (I really like pulse torpedoes, especially since I can't roll beam
dice worth a hoot.)

> Regards,

Thanks for the look-see!

Glen