girl soldiers

> Beth - who is trying to figure out exactly which "girl soldiers"
Janneke
> meant when she asked for some for her upcoming 5th birthday...

I doubt she meant the Heavenly Bodies line; although some do come
in their birthday suits.   ;)

Glen

G'day,

> I doubt she meant the Heavenly

Well after letting her peruse Nic's catalogue on the pretence of thinking up
ideas for Lachy's birthday we finally determined she meant the Combat babes
range...I dread to think how much pink will feature in their camo scheme
though;)

Cheers

> Well after letting her peruse Nic's catalogue on the pretence of

I think WW2 Brit desert camo had pink and sand, and I think some Indian
camo does too--the Indian Army has enough camo patterns you could
probably find any color you wanted.

laserlight@quixnet.net schrieb:
> >Well after letting her peruse Nic's catalogue on the

Have a look at:
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/UScamo.htm
Interesting colour variations on US camo patterns rather far down the page:
yellow, orange, ultraviolet(?), lime, electric blue.... Right over the
'Children's camouflage section' No pink, unfortunately
;-)
Karl Heinz

> Well after letting her peruse Nic's catalogue on the pretence of

Pink is/was certainly used by SAS units in desert areas - the famous
"Pink Panther" SAS Landrovers etc. Although I can't vouch for its
authenticity, the story I heard MANY years ago was that a downed RAF Mosquito
in the desert slowly became less and
less visible to overflying recon planes as time went on - when someone
finally went and took a look at ground level, they found that the sand had
stripped all the paint off the airframe, leaving the pink glue or sealer that
had been applied over the plywood surfaces, which proved to be virtually
invisible against the desert terrain. I also have a picture (B&W of course) in
a reference book on the Western
Desert campaign, taken in 1939/40 of one of the old Vickers Mediums that
the Mobile Force was originally equipped with; the caption to the pic states
that the tank's commander had himself labelled the photo as "My pink and black
camouflaged tank".

> Jon T. wrote:

> Although I can't vouch for its authenticity, the story I heard MANY

Except, of course, to us red-green colourblind guys - for us, it sticks
out
like a sore thumb :-)

During WW2 the Wehrmacht had a desert camouflage, including pink, which
worked very well against British recon planes - until the dastardly
Brits found out that colourblind spotters had no problem detecting vehicles
with this camo. Under normal circumstances colourblind people I doubt if
colourblind people would've been allowed as aircrews at all...

Later,

> Oerjan Ohlson Wrote:

> During WW2 the Wehrmacht had a desert camouflage, including pink, which

Seems like the Brits were always coming up with the most creative, outlandish,
downright bizzarre, yet highly effective ways of defeating the
Nazis....

> Except, of course, to us red-green colourblind guys - for us, it

But doesn't that make camo schemes pointless in a sci-fi setting.
How hard would it be to simply have a range of colour settings on a helmet
visor? Flick through get the right one and bob's your uncle. Adds weight to
returning to Napoleonic colour schemes of bright reds and blues.

Oerjan
> During WW2 the Wehrmacht had a desert camouflage, including pink, which

Brian B2:
> Seems like the Brits were always coming up with the most creative,

Didn't always work. The Brits found that some people can see ultraviolet, so
looked into using UV beacons on their airfields to guide
the planes home--some pilots would be able to see them and guide the
rest of the formation, but it wouldn't be "visible" light so the Luftwaffe
wouldn't be able to find them as easily. Eventually they realized that the
pilots who could see UV also tended to be blond,
blue-eyed, of Germanic descent....

> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:13:35PM -0500, laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:

> Didn't always work. The Brits found that some people can see

On the other hand... UV was sometimes used for signalling between spies and
submarines off the coast. People who had had cataract operations, with
artificial lenses implanted, were chosen for coastal watch once it was
realised that the plastic they used for the lenses was much less opaque to UV
than the normal lens of the eye...

R

On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:31:12 +0000 (GMT), JEREMY CLARIDGE
> <jeremy.claridge@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:

> But doesn't that make camo schemes pointless in a sci-fi setting.

Well, first off, as any actual soldier will tell you nothing works 100% of the
time. For those times that the visor doesn't work, or you are up against an
enemy that doesn't have it, cammo is useful.

Second, it assumes that cammo patterns don't progress either. If your cammo
scheme can give off the exact same wavelengths of light as the surrounding
foliage, then I'd suspect that the cammo would work again.

G'day,

> But doesn't that make camo schemes pointless in a sci-fi setting.

Cool more excuses for my weird paint schemes!!;P

> --- Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:

> Except, of course, to us red-green colourblind guys

Hrm.  So what works for red-green colorblind guys?

> > Adds weight to returning to Napoleonic colour schemes of bright reds

Shame, I wanted to see the supreme Dalek in a Ghillie suit. "Sir that hedge
has just claimed it will exterminate me!"

> At 9:53 AM +0000 1/9/02, Jeremey Claridge wrote:

And as cumbersome as those dalek manipulators are, it'd take for ever for that
dalek sniper to make his ghillie suit.

Ever see a dalek try to thread a needle on a sewing machine? Its not pretty.

> At 9:53 AM +0000 1/9/02, Jeremey Claridge wrote:

Imagine waking up every morning (assuming Daleks sleep....) to be faced with
the same choice: "Death, or Plumbing....?"

Jon (GZG)
> --

> John Atkinson wrote:

> > Except, of course, to us red-green colourblind guys

Depends a bit on the background colour, and I don't know what'd work in a
desert. In a forest (ie., greenish-brown background) I would've real
troubles detecting someone in an orange or red suit unless I get very close
:-) Bright orange/red if the forest is sunlit, darker if the sky is
clouded.

I can see the difference (or at least *a* difference, though probably not
the same one as normal-seeing people) between the red-orange-brown-green

colours, but not always the border between them  - ie., I can't see the
outline...

Also, even red-green colourblindness isn't one single state - it seems
to be graded in some way, since I can see some things some of my colourblind
friends can't and vice versa. It is very confusing :-7

Later,

> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

Ummm.... Oerjan? Never come to America to go deer hunting. Those are the
colors worn by hunters here to make themselve VISIBLE to other hunters.