Georgian Yeast

3 posts ยท Sep 27 2000 to Sep 28 2000

From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:32:59 GMT

Subject: Re: Georgian Yeast

> In the Confederacy's case, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation (where

Um. Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC the Emancipation Proclamation didn't
apply
to the Northern slave-owning states (Kentucky, basically, IIRC. There
were some more but I forget them, (Maryland?) and only in Kentucky was there a
significant number of unmanumitted slaves).

It was in this durned furriner's opinion, a masterpiece of RealPolitik. Others
might call it outrageous hypocracy, to free "their" slaves not "ours". The
loyalty of Kentucky was rather shaky, but this shored it up. A.Lincoln was a
great statesman, but again IMHO not because he was a moral paragon: far from
it, he had a grasp of political expediency unmatched by anyone except possibly
Otto von Bismark. He saw that although the southern states, individually or in
combination, had every constitutional right to secede, such a move would
destroy the USA as a viable entity. Both the CSA and USA would be at the beck
and call of the European superpowers. So to hell with the legality, the end
justifies the means.

That he's gone down in history as "The Great Emancipator" is just one of those
little ironies. Cynics would say that it's because the Victors write the
history books. I prefer to say that (as Salvor Hardin said?) he never let
morality get in the way of doing the right thing. Because his actions, for
whatever reason,
resulted in the abolition of that "peculiar (-ly odious) institution",
which
I think no-one with 2 neurons that fire consecutively could possibly say
was anything other than a really good outcome.

The tragedy is that a lot of morally unimpeachable people (Robert E. Lee being
merely the most famous) saw the US Constitution as being sacrosanct, and their
first loyalty being to their state rather than a monolithic and usurping
federation. Thank God they lost though.

US history - especially from 1770-1820 - has always interested me.
Australian history is even more colourful, but rather less bloody. And less
well-known.
I suspect few non-Aussies on this list have heard of the Eureka
Stockade, or the Rum Corps and the coup d'etat against Bligh (yes, THAT
Captain Bligh, as in HMS Bounty and all that). Many might know of Pitcairn,
but few know of Norfolk
Island. And Ned Kelly for that matter - how many people outside Oz got
the significance of that part of the opening ceremony?

This is a pity, as the events of Australian history can provide many an
inspiration for the Tuffleyverse. Imagine planets way beyond the explored rim
inhabited by ESU mutineers (even secondary colonies from them)... isolated
planets taken

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:56:29 EDT

Subject: Re: Georgian Yeast

> On Wed, 27 Sep 100 04:32:59 GMT aebrain@dynamite.com.au writes:

IIRC, it appplied to union controlled states in rebellion or some
such...

> It was in this durned furriner's opinion, a masterpiece of

I thought that occurred when Northern clothing manufacturers stopped there in
route to Asia?

From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:59:21 -0400

Subject: Re: Georgian Yeast

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:56:29 EDT, Glenn m wilson <triphibious@juno.com> wrote:

> IIRC, it appplied to union controlled states in rebellion or some

As mentioned in another message by moi, it's the exact opposite. It applied to
states in rebellion that were NOT part of the Union or controlled by the
Union.