Future of GZG list, possible new members

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:52:13AM +0100, Ground Zero Games wrote:

> I've always been quite careful NOT to make it appear as if this is an

What, you mean I don't get big bucks for running the listserver? Bah,
taking my toys and going home. :-)

> Now, I'd

I have no objection on the technical side; the appropriate link would be

> >Now, I'd

Exactly what Roger said.  :-)   There is a Facebook group for Full
Thrust, but it has less than 60 members, and is not very active. It could be
another venue for bringing folks into the GZG realm. Or for folks to more
easily contact one another. <shrug>

Mk

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent. I think
it would be a good idea.

> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Seamus wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't Facebook. In fact I'd rather be hit in the face with a book, than
Facebook.

Mailing lists and forums please.  ;-)

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent. I
I didn't even think to check for that...

Are there any other areas where there is more SG2 or FT discussion happening?

I think the issue with this list is that it's not entirely stable, and it
requires a login procedure that is now foreign to people just now getting into
the hobby (i.e. it's not a web forum or social media).

Well it looks like this is the thing.

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:25, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Allan Goodall <awgoodall@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent.
I
> think it would be a good idea.

I can't seem to find it. Link please, Seamus?

The FT group pops up if one types "Full Thrust"

> Are there any other areas where there is more SG2 or FT discussion

Yeah. Technology has moved on in that regards.  :-/

Mk

Yeah, to a huge number of (mostly younger) gamers, the closest thing to a
mailing list they've encountered would be Yahoo! Groups.

Speaking of quiescent, what happened at Ground Zero Gamers (
http://gzgamers.webs.com/)? The site was put up last July, and I think
by the time I found it in October it was all but dead; it has been ever since.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Allan Goodall <awgoodall@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent.
I
> think it would be a good idea.

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Allan Goodall
wrote:
> There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent.
I
> think it would be a good idea.

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't seem to find it. Link please, Seamus?

Mk

"This group is scheduled to be archived Over the next few months, Facebook
will be archiving all groups created using the old groups format. When this
group is archived, its wall posts, photos and discussion threads will move to
the new groups format,
but group members will need to be re-added"

so much for that idea...

Michael Brown mwsaber6@msn.com

From: Seamus
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:17 AM
To: gzg@firedrake.org
Subject: Re: Future of GZG list, possible new members

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Allan Goodall <awgoodall@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com> wrote:

There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent. I think
it would be a good idea.

I didn't even think to check for that...

I can't seem to find it. Link please, Seamus?

Here ya go:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=195858526687

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Mike Stanczyk <stanczyk@pcisys.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Seamus wrote:
I
> think

Come on, Mike. Wave of the future! You get out of it what you put into it.
:-D

Mk

I think that perhaps expanding upon the Full Thrust group for members (and the
Stargrunt one too) on Facebook would be an excellent idea. Serious
conversations about the game don't even ccome up on here very often, new
people who have things to contribute come along even less often, and stuff
like this is probably why. I think it would be an excellent idea for GZG to
get its games on Facebook and get behind the Facebook site, which also is
something where the rest of us could get behind it easily and which could
welcome new users. Yeah, to some degree the lack of filtering on Facebook also
means that a lot of "Internet peeps" that we have blissfully been able to
avoid on this list will start getting in, but that's kind of the cost that
comes with the territory.

E

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> Mike Stanczyk <stanczyk@pcisys.net> wrote:
I
> > think it would be a good idea.

Preferably, just a mailing list... :-)

> From what I've seen, FB is hardly the 'wave of the future!" for gaming.

Just about every gaming group I've seen- from Stargrunt to Warhammer
Ancient
Battles and WFRP and several others- have all been about as active as a
sloth on barbiturates.

As far as Stargrunt goes, this list is the most active discussion I've found.

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Michael Brown <mwsaber6@msn.com> wrote:

> **

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Michael Brown <mwsaber6@msn.com> wrote:

> **

Many groups on FB that were created a while ago are being archived (for some
reason; something to do with formats and whatnot). It would be no problem for
a new group to be created. Someone just has to want to. I'm not that married
to SG to lead it (I already run a couple other groups,
non-gaming),
but I would support it.

Mk

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com> wrote:

> From what I've seen, FB is hardly the 'wave of the future!" for

I wasn't meaning for gaming exclusively.  :-D  But social media is here
to stay for the duration. Until something better comes along.

> Just about every gaming group I've seen- from Stargrunt to Warhammer

As with anything, one gets out of whatever one puts in. Be it a mailing list,
a forum, an FB group, or some other such thing.

Mk

Ah yes, but 'garbage in, garbage out' assumes that there's a two-way
input.

The Stargrunt FB group over the course of the last half year have been posts
from myself reflecting Jons updates (yes, I'm Erick Mudge. Pleased to meet
you).

I doubt that creating yet another group on FB will be as fresh an idea as
you're suggesting.

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Indy <indy.kochte@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com>
wrote:
> From what I've seen, FB is hardly the 'wave of the future!" for

I tried Facebook. Found it insecure and pretty awful. I objected to being
someone else's commodity.

Count me out if we go Facebook.

Cheers

I have notifications on my facebook page that get sent to my gmail folder. It
allows me to see conversations going on with posts I've made. If we had the
Facebook page forward update notifications to the mailing list, people who
want to join in on the fb conversations can, and those that don't could be
conversant on the mailing list. I don't
have a preference... I check e-mail and facebook about as often...  I
am subscribed to several mailing lists as well: misc@openbsd.org, Cygwin,
GURPS, FUDGE, Mythic, OpenSSL, and OpenSSH to name a few...

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:55, Symon Cook <symon@ereshkigal.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> I tried Facebook. Found it insecure and pretty awful. I objected to

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:51, Allan Goodall <awgoodall@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Seamus <fomorianwolf@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There's a Stargrunt group there as well, that is likewise quiescent.
I
> think it would be a good idea.

I pinged every list I had when looking for life.

My question is; are the playtest groups dead as well?

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:51, Allan Goodall

I assume the Berkeley one to be, yes - or at least in some sort of
stasis....  :-/

The Firedrake backup is presumably still running, or could be
re-activated easily?

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:42:48PM +0100, Ground Zero Games wrote:

> The Firedrake backup is presumably still running, or could be

Still live.

R

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com> wrote:

> I pinged every list I had when looking for life.

Insofar as I know, the test lists are sleeping, but alive. There's been little
to no activity there as we are collectively still waiting for some
direction from The Power That Be.  ;-)

Mk