(FT) Unofficial NSL Order of Battle Jannary 01,2083

NSL Order of Battle Jannary 01, 2083

Command Fleet

1st Battle Squadron 'Der Theuerdank' Squadron 3xCVA, 3xBDN 3711 ~NPV

1st Heavy Scouting Group 'Maximilian' Group 2xBC, 2xCL 988 ~NPV

1st Flotilla 'Awronzo' Group Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1233 ~NPV
1st Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
2nd Half-Flotilla- A - 5xCT
                   B - 5xCT

                   First Fleet - Heimatland Kriegsflotte

2nd Battle Squadron 'Kaiser' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

3rd Battle Squadron 'Viribus Unitis' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

4th Battle Squadron 'Grosser Kurfurst' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

4th Battle Squadron 'Prinzregent Luitpold' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407
~NPV

5th Battle Squadron 'Rheinland' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

6th Battle Squadron 'Ersatz Monarch' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

1st Scouting Group 'Kronprinz Wilhelm' Group 4xCL 644 ~NPV

1st BattleCruiser Group 'Manfred Von Richthofen' Group 5xBC 1755 ~NPV

2nd BattleCruiser Group 'Seydlitz' Group 5xBC 1755 ~NPV

1st Armoured Crusier Group 'Markgraf' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

2nd Armoured Cruiser Group 'Von Reuter' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

2nd Flotilla 'Kogel' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
3rd Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
4th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

3rd Flotilla 'Hekko' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
5th Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
6th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

4th Flotilla 'Salzburg' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
7th Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
8th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

5th Flotilla 'Postok' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
9th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
10th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

                  Second Fleet - Kolonie Kriegsflotte

14th Battle Squadron 'Mecklendburg' Squadron 4xBB 1656 ~NPV

15th Battle Squadron 'Westfalen' Squadron 4xBB 1656 ~NPV

16th Battle Squadron 'Braunschweig' Squadron 4xBB 1656 ~NPV

17th Battle Squadron 'Haspburg' Squadron 4xBB 1656 ~NPV

4th Scouting Group 'Strassburg' Group 4xCL 644 ~NPV

5th Scouting Group 'Voss' Group 4xCL 644 ~NPV

5th Armoured Cruiser Group 'Almirante Grau' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

6th Armoured Cruiser Group 'De Ruyter' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

5th BattleCruiser Group 'Novarra' Group 5xBC 1755 ~NPV

4th Heavy Scouting Group 'Graudenz' Group 4xBC 1332 ~NPV

5th Heavy Scouting Group 'Emden' Group 4xBC 1332 ~NPV

10th Flotilla 'Blucher' FlotillA Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
21st  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
22nd Half-Flotilla  5xFF

11th Flotilla 'Pillau' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1233 ~NPV
23rd Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
24th Half-Flotilla- A - 5xCT
                    B - 5xCT

12th Flotilla 'Cilh' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1233 ~NPV
25th Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
26th Half-Flotilla- A - 5xCT
                    B - 5xCT

13th Flotilla 'Gacs' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1233 ~NPV
27th Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
28th Half-Flotilla- A - 5xCT
                    B - 5xCT

                Third Fleet - StrumKriegsflotte

7th Battle Squadron 'Zielschiffe' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

8th Battle Squadron 'Preussen' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

9th Battle Squadron 'Zrinyi' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

10th Battle Squadron 'Schleswig-Holstein' Squadron
1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

11th Battle Squadron 'Ostfriesland' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

12th Battle Squadron 'Kaiser Max' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

13th Battle Squadron 'Graf Zeppelin' Squadron 1xCVA, 1xSDN, 2xBDN 2407 ~NPV

2nd Scouting Group 'Magdeburg' Group 4xCL 644 ~NPV

3rd Scouting Group 'Mainz' Group 4xCL 644 ~NPV

3rd Armoured Cruiser Group 'Zerstoier' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

4th Armoured Cruiser Group 'Aussburg' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

5th Armoured Cruiser Group 'Danzig' Group 4xCH 1088 ~NPV

3rd BattleCruiser Group 'Arcona' Group 5xBC 1755 ~NPV

4th BattleCruiser Group 'Grober Kurfurst' Group 5xBC 1755 ~NPV

2nd Heavy Scouting Group 'Admiral Hipper' Group 4xBC 1332 ~NPV

3rd Heavy Scouting Group 'Novarra' Group 4xBC 1332 ~NPV

5th Flotilla 'Rudolf Ebel' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
11th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
12th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

6th Flotilla 'Die Hoffnung' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
13th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
14th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

7th Flotilla 'Amaranth' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
15th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
16th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

8th Flotilla 'Baron Vianyczary' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
17th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
18th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

9th Flotilla 'Ambria' Flotilla Command 1xCL, 1xDD 1098 ~NPV
19th  Half-Flotilla  3xDD, 2xMD,
20th Half-Flotilla  5xFF

Notes: Escort Cruisers assignments Escorts per Transport: Maximum 36 Transport
per Convoy. Under 16 Transports = 6 Escorts
16-22    Transports =  7 Escorts
22-36    Transports =  8 Escorts

Scouts and Armoured Cruiser Group are also used for Commerce raiding, and
bait.

Common NSL tactic is to send in a scouting group to engage the enemy fleet,
then turn and run away, leading the enemy ships into the guns of the Battle
Squadrons.

Flotillas are broken down into half-flotillas. These half-flotillas can
be assigned to any task at hand.

The rest of the Corvettes and Frigates are spread out hunting pirates, on long
range patrols, or other duites.

Destroyer, Frigates and Corvettes: Naming of

Letter(s)   - Name of Flotilla
Hull Number - 1st two digits = Flotilla
3rd digit = Tactical Number

> NSL Order of Battle Jannary 01, 2083

(this is supposed to be constructive criticism, but forgive me if it comes
across a little harsh; I just got done dealing with some idiot who asked me
for some climbing information, then when I gave it to him, went ballistic on
me, informing me that I was lying to him, that I need to grow up and be more
mature with my emails, and stop trying to pick up his daughter; <sigh>;
anyway...)

Steven.

Good work, but...it seems like a....'cookie cutter' fleet to me. There
is almost no variance between any given squadron/group/whatnot. Only
the names have been changed between forces. For example, *every* Battle
Squadron in the First Fleet is identical to every other Battle Squadron in
that same fleet. Ditto for the cruiser groups and various flotillae. This is
repeated throughout the entire NSL Roster. It doesn't...seem very real to me.
Does the (contemporary?) German Naval Order of Battle reflect this??

I have no good feedback at the moment than to suggest breaking up the numbers
and components of the various elements in the Fleets so they aren't carbon
copies of one another. Give them more identity than just different names.

Mk

> It'll be cool, it'll be fun...it's gonna *suck* wrote:

> This is repeated throughout the entire NSL Roster. It doesn't...seem

This is apparently loosely based on German OOB at Jutland or something like
that. And yes, the ideal is to have each battle squadron or carrier group be
interchangable.

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, It'll be cool, it'll be fun...it's gonna *suck* wrote:

> >NSL Order of Battle Jannary 01, 2083

> Steven.
MK,

If you look at any Order of Battle, you will see that on paper, that they
are all the same - 3 platoons/lances/units/squadrons/whatever = 1
Company. Each unit is made up of the same forces (again on paper) US Tank
forces have serval verisons of the M1 to choose from, but they are still all
M1s. Each company has the same number (again on paper) of M1 as every other US
Tank company. Even if its equiped with older M60s it still has the same number
of tanks.

If you look at:
http://history.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/jutob.htm You will see
that every unit with out combat loses or mechanical breakdown is the same. It
just makes it easier to control that way. If I send in a Battle
Squadron, I expect it to have between 3 and 5 Dreadnought/Battleships,
not
1 Dreadnought/Battleship and three light Cruisers. A mistake like that
could cost you a battle, if not the war.. Remember that this is a peace
time force, so it should have a full roster - baring any mechanical
problems, or special assaigments (ie Kra'Vak problems).

I also did not retire any units, such a the US Army did with the 7th Calvary,
after it did not return from the Little Big Horn. This is another option to
break up the "carbon copies".

Steven

> I have no good feedback at the moment than to suggest breaking up the

> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, John M. Atkinson wrote:

> It'll be cool, it'll be fun...it's gonna *suck* wrote:

this makes a lot of sense to me - the components of the fleet should be
as interchangeable as possible. why might a fleet have squadrons of varying
composition by choice? oh, i know: to do different missions. still, there
would be a relatively small number of different squadron types ("cruiser
squadron", "reinforced cruiser squadron", "independent cruiser squadron").

also, bear in mind that that OoB was nominal - the actual situtation
will be that, minus ships out for refit, minus ships detached for
miscellaneous other reasons, plus obsolete and auxiliary ships attached to the
main
fleets, and then randomised by cross-attachment. recall that no plan
survives contact with the enemy!

Tom

> Steven Arrowsmith wrote:

> I also did not retire any units, such a the US Army did with the 7th

Two myths in one place. First, not all of the 7th was wiped out, just
the part with Custer.  Second, the 7th Cavalry is still around--IIRC,
it's batallions are now armored batallions in the 1st Cavalry Division.

> John M. Atkinson wrote:

> Two myths in one place. First, not all of the 7th was wiped out, just

I know guys that have served in 1/7th in Vietnam and today. They still
think they're riding with Custer...

> >NSL Order of Battle Jannary 01, 2083
[...]
> If you look at any Order of Battle, you will see that on paper, that

Wait, wait, wait...Order of BATTLE...not Fleet Roster. I apologize, for I
thought for some reason you were presenting a fleet roster for the NSL. It
only took me ALL DAY to figure this out. [beats head w/bat]

> If you look at:

Thanks!

Mk

> >If you look at any Order of Battle, you will see that on paper, that

"Sir, relax we can help you with that."

Wackwackwack....

   Narn bat squad, ready to serve.   :-)

Enjoy,

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, It'll be cool, it'll be fun...it's gonna *suck* wrote:
[snip]
> Wait, wait, wait...Order of BATTLE...not Fleet Roster. I apologize,

NARN BAT SQUAD!! NARN BAT SQUAD!!

[Hauptmann slips out the side exit while Indy runs screaming from a
strange looking group of humanoids wielding contoured wooden sticks]

> On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, John M. Atkinson wrote:

> Steven Arrowsmith wrote:

John,

As far as I can remember, Gen.Custer had 5 troops with him, the other 6 troops
of the 7th were on the flanks (3 per side) and around 2 miles away. These 5
Troops were the C, E, F, I, and L troops. They did not return for active
duity, so they were listed as missing in action, and were not replaced untill
Dec 1917. So for 41 years the 7th Cavalry was missing 5 Troops.

> Tom G <Thomas.Granvold@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

> Wait, wait, wait...Order of BATTLE...not Fleet Roster. I apologize,

and then Mark <Hauptman@concentric.net> jumps in with:

> On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, It'll be cool, it'll be fun...it's gonna *suck*