[FT][SG][DS] structure of the NAC (really long)

Just a nit-picky technical note:

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> Central America etc), leads me to believe that the name New Anglican

It's "Anglian", not "Anglican"

:-)

Mk

PART ONE Adrian, Great work. Well thought out. One thing. The fact that in the
NAC,
non-white or non "Anglo" populations are the majority (Then you add in
Central America etc), leads me to believe that the name New Anglican
Confederation (I know you had nothing to do with this name decision) would
most likely not have been chosen. It seems to me that something less well how
do you say it, "discrimminatory" would have been chosen. I can see as the
years go on and the Anglican minority grows that the very name of the
confederation given it's unweildy size, becomes a very sticky point. I wonder
what teh NAC might have mutated into with eth absorbtion of the LLAR.

PART TWO. Just thinking aloud here folks

On a macro-history scale, when do Human governments begin to slowly form
themsleves into fewer more powerful power blocks? (I know this runs
contradictory to the desiredmultifacted chuman culture which breeds all teh
great space wars and fleets that we fight).

For instance I'm already thinking that as we start rubbing up against power
Alien forces with more frequency. In particular the 1st Interstellar war with
the Kra'Vak. I'm already thinking that after close cooperation for a couple
decades in dealing with them, that a
mega-confederation could be formed sometime in 2200 starting with the
NSL and the NAC. (Long time allies). Of course the UN is always in the
background working towards this purpose overtly and covertly. The ESU would
remain on it's own for quite a while still, but maybe some of the small powers
would eventually gravitate to one of the other. (OU, Romanovs to NAC) Maybe
the IF would remain onit's own for a while or even merge with the PAU as Isalm
spreads across their worlds). Then there's New Israel and Atkinson's rabid
NREs (Assuming they're anything like him <VBG>), which would hold out longer.
Eventually peace breaks out with the kra'Vak (and the savasku). At this time
it's finally learned why teh kra'Vak are pushing so hard in Human space....

Then comes the bugs........

In 2200 Humanity runs flat up against "the Bugs" (Tyrannid types are more of a
galatic threat than just pure Heinlein Arachnids, but any would do). For the
first time the very existance of humanity is
threatened. The Bugs first come across PAU/IF space and eradicated tens
of billions as whole planets are consumed. This race can not be communicated
with in any fashion. (remember Weber's Ominvoracity). By
the time the ESU and SHH (Solar Human Hegomony NSL/NAC/OU etc), realise
that scope of he threat and begin teh serious work of coordinating their
efforts, a large volume of human space has already been "consumed." A large
scale geernal war of annihlation erupts between Humanity and "the bugs" but
not before Earth becomes the scene fighting.

Damn but this is an interesting thread but lots of volume.

Los spake thusly upon matters weighty:

> PART ONE

It didn't, technically. They left for space. They absorbed the land occupied
by the LLAR and many of their citizens. The LLAR is a still existent body
AFAIK.

> PART TWO. Just thinking aloud here folks

I think there is a continous push-pull (both running at the same
time). Some forces draw us together as others push us apart. The only movement
we perceive is when one force gets relatively stronger or weaker than the
other.

Of course the UN is always in the
> background working towards this purpose overtly and covertly.

The UN would be in favour of power blocks IT has a lot of influence with,
otherwise it likes smaller blocks of nations to deal with so it can leverage
them.

 The ESU
> would remain on it's own for quite a while still, but maybe some of

That seems likely. Talk about a scary alliance - a PAU/IF alliance.
Lots of experience, lots of willpower, lots of fanaticism. And a large
resource base and a HUGE manpower base. Mind you, maybe not the best
organized, but scary nonetheless.

 Then
> there's New Israel and Atkinson's rabid NREs (Assuming they're

According to quotes from John, I've heard him identify himself with their head
of government.....

which would hold out longer. Eventually peace breaks
> out with the kra'Vak (and the savasku). At this time it's finally

I liked this Kra'Vak theory. Justifies their attacks.

> Then comes the bugs........

No... again. I think the Savasku and The KraVak should pose that kind of
threat.

 The Bugs first come across PAU/IF space and eradicated tens
> of billions as whole planets are consumed.

I doubt it. I don't think the total offplanet IF/PAU population would
exceed about 1 Billion if that. Do the math. Even with forced exodus. Even
with faster colonial growth rates and no diebacks and good living space. And
no wars. All of which are awful assumpitons.

This race can not be
> communicated with in any fashion. (remember Weber's Ominvoracity).

Or just doesn't care to be.

 By
> the time the ESU and SHH (Solar Human Hegomony NSL/NAC/OU etc),

Hmm. I think in the long run, whoever is getting eaten will be the most in
favour of such an alliance. Their enemies will hold out to let them get eaten,
only acting when their interests are at stake.

 realise
> that scope of he threat and begin teh serious work of coordinating

Well, I sort of figured that would happen with the Kra-Vak. I'm
looking to run a Batlle of the Line scenario or the Invasion of Earth at GZG
ECC 00.

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> Los wrote:

> there's New Israel and Atkinson's rabid NREs (Assuming they're

Hold out until the Turks are in the Hagia Sophia! And whoever isn't overrun by
then will keep fighting (Trebizond held on for another few years).

> In 2200 Humanity runs flat up against "the Bugs" (Tyrannid types are

IMO, that's a little early.

> Thomas Barclay wrote:

> That seems likely. Talk about a scary alliance - a PAU/IF alliance.

Yeah great at generating the most horrific forms of vilence but staggeringly
incompetent militarily against anything other than their own ilk. (If they're
anything at all like tehy are today....)

> Then

What you mean like cousins?

> > Then comes the bugs........

Well, maybe I'm wrong but the Kra'Vak being this clan based Hunter race, while
being a great hreat, never have it in tehir intent to exterminate Humanity.
they're just picking fruit out of the garden that they happen to be moving
through. And the Savasku, are not by natures a war mongering race, I think it
even mentions that in one of the books (though I don't havethem beside
me).

Another differentiator is that "the bugs" (working title), have no concern for
casualties and stuff nlike teh KV and SV in which self perservatin of
individual ships/beings is an issue (surrender/switch).

> The Bugs first come across PAU/IF space and eradicated tens

Are you high? They F*ck like rabbits. And remember this is a 100 or 150 years
in the future of most of the gaming we're doing. (Mid 2100s). But OK maybe not
tens of billions.

> By

The attitude you mention is valid to a limited point. (And reflects the demise
of many PAU/IF planets). But no power once appraise of the severe
gravity of the situation (and maybe getting a taste of it on some outlying
colonies) will fail to see that the threat is so grave that it's work together
or all die. That's just a profound lack of intelligence. (on their part, not
yours, becasue their would be politicians that have that attitude on all
powers.)

> Well, I sort of figured that would happen with the Kra-Vak. I'm

Yes the bug situation is jsut a more sever version of the KV situation.I mean
we'll need otehr wars to fight after them. In fact they might even be alllies
by then.

> Los wrote:

> > Then