From: Jeremy Sadler <jsadler@e...>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:55:30 +1100
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> a Scenario And, I dare say, fertile ground for Stargrunt and Dirtside scenarios... :) (Let me think a while.. <grin>)
From: Jeremy Sadler <jsadler@e...>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:55:30 +1100
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> a Scenario And, I dare say, fertile ground for Stargrunt and Dirtside scenarios... :) (Let me think a while.. <grin>)
From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:17:01 -0800
Subject: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
Dragon Twins a Scenario by Brian Bell For the Full Thrust war game Five worlds of Japanese and Chinese decent have quietly formed a plan to claim independence from the Eurasian Solar Union (ESU). These are unhappy with the Russian dominance fo the ESU. They have quietly been gathering old warships and refitting them with new weapns and systems. Also, they have maneuvered key people into the ESU chain of command. Quietly, it has been made known that if the forces of the Twin Dragon worlds can stand off the 1783rd attack group, they will be ignored (not granted autonomy, but not brought under submission). The game area should be about 4x6' (2 long tables side by side). The Twin Dragon player may place a planet (6" diameter) on the board anywhere on his side and 5 asteroids anywhere on the table. He must setup his ships within 2' of the planet. The ESU player will enter on the far side of the table at a velocity of less than 6. Specail Rules: To attack the Planetary forces, they must enter orbit. Twin Dragon Forces: Planetary Forces 4 Fighter Flights 10 Missiles 4 Muscle class Destroyers Muscle class Destroyer Steven Guffey Mass: 18 Type: Escort Clas: Destroyer Move: 8 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 1 Screen Cost: 141 Damg: 9 4 5 Syst: FCS Screen A Beam PFS A Beam PFS 4 Andropov class Missile Destroyers Andropov class Missile Destroyer Roger Burton West Mass: 14 Type: Escort Clas: Destroyer Move: 8 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: None Cost: 86 Damg: 7 3 4 Syst: FCS C Beam PFS Missile Missile Missile 2 Binghampton class Cruisers Binghamton class Lt Cruiser Brian Bell Mass: 22 Type: Cruiser Clas: Lt Cruiser Move: 8 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 1 Screen Cost: 198 Damg: 11 3 4 4 Syst: FCS FCS Screen Pulse Torpedo C Beam PFS C Beam PFS C Beam PFS  1 Canton class Cruiser Canton class Wave Cruiser Brian Bell Mass: 32 Type: Cruiser Clas: Heavy Cruiser Move: 8 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: Reflex Cost: 294 Damg: 16 5 5 6 Syst: FCS FCS Reflex Field Wave Gun  1 Cincinnati class Cruiser Cincinnati class Wave Cruiser Brian Bell Mass: 32 Type: Cruiser Clas: Heavy Cruiser Move: 8 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 1 Screen Cost: 294 Damg: 16 5 5 6 Syst: FCS FCS Screen Wave Gun C Beam PFS C Beam PFS C Beam PFS  ESU Forces: 3 Brezhnev class Escort Cruiser Brezhnev class Escort Cruiser Roger Burton West Mass: 26 Type: Cruiser Clas: Escort Cruiser Move: 4 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 1 Screens Cost: 197 Damg: 13 4 4 5 Syst: FCS FCS Screen A Beam PFS A Beam PFS A Beam PFS PDAF 1 Gorbachov class Battleruiser Gorbachov class Battlecruiser Roger Burton West Mass: 40 Type: Capital Clas: Battlecruiser Move: 4 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 2 Screens Cost: 388 Damg: 20 5 5 5 5 Syst: FCS FCS FCS Screen Screen A Beam PFS A Beam PFS A Beam PFS A Beam PFS PDAF PDAF  1 Kirov class Battlecruiser Kirov class Battlecruiser Roger Burton West Mass: 40 Type: Capital Clas: Battlecruiser Move: 4 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 2 Screens Cost: 382 Damg: 20 5 5 5 5 Syst: FCS FCS FCS Screen Screen A Beam PFS A Beam PFS Fighter PDAF PDAF  1 New Rome class Superdreadnought New Rome class Superdreadnought Brian Bell Mass: 82 Type: Capital Clas: Superdreadnought Move: 2 FTL: Std Tech: Human Hull: Military Strm: None Prot: 3 Screens Cost: 593 Damg: 41 10 10 10 11 Syst: FCS FCS FCS Screen Screen Screen AA Mega Gun F AA Mega Gun F A Beam PFS A Beam PFS A Beam PFS Missile Missile Missile Missile Missile PDAF PDAF PDAF
From: Steve Pugh <steve@p...>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:48:37 +0000
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
Damn! Sent this to Brian not the list, first time round, sorry Brian. > Dragon Twins Minor background niggles: 1. The ESU is Chinese dominated not Russian (Stargrunt II page 65, second paragraph in the Timeline section). 2. Japan is not part of the ESU. 3. The idea of Chinese and Japanese colonies co-operating is, um, interesting..... Especially considering the way that old animosities seem to form the basis of a lot of the GZG universe background. Nice scenario though. Cheers,
From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:00:02 -0800
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> Minor background niggles: I don't have Stargrunt II. I was basing this on FT Background (FT page 43 year 2127). This states "The balance of power within the ESU shifts away from Chinese domination as the Union Government is moved from Earth to the mainly Russian-settled Nova Moskva". > 2. Japan is not part of the ESU. I acknowledge this. I made an asumption that the governments had not "ethnically cleansed" thier states. These planets could have been colonies that were absorbed by the ESU. Or just happen to have maily Asiatic ancestry. > 3. The idea of Chinese and Japanese colonies I agree. However, I can envision an Asiatic alliance to teach these gaijin <sp> a lesson.
From: Jonathan Jarrard <jjarrard@f...>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:03:18 -0500
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
I like the justification for the scenario. It's plausible and provides a good excuse for a meeting engagement. A couple of commnets, though. Where are a bunch of outer colony worlds going to get hold of a specialized battle platform like a wave cruiser? I can't see any of the major powers letting one go without disarming it, and even if they did find one somewhere, how would they get the expertise to maintain it? It also seems like maybe you would want to include a couple of improvised civilian hulls, armed with either missiles or SMPs, and the fighters should probably count as rookie squadrons, if only because of a lack of command and control.
From: TEHughes@a...
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:38:35 EST
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
In a message dated 98-01-12 09:11:03 EST, you write: << I like the justification for the scenario. It's plausible and provides a good excuse for a meeting engagement. A couple of commnets, though. Where are a bunch of outer colony worlds going to get hold of a specialized battle platform like a wave cruiser? I can't see any of the major powers letting one go without disarming it, and even if they did find one somewhere, how would they get the expertise to maintain it? > [quoted text omitted] real simple -- In the Civil War, the southerern sympathesizers were the buereaucrats who the sent major amounts of military supplies south untill the war actually started (stories are that it didn't stop until well after the war started.) A few good men & women in the personnel and supply branches would let you start out remarkable well armed and staffed - at least for the first engagement or so!
From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:50:59 -0800
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> A couple of commnets, though. Where are a bunch of outer colony If you don't like the Wave guns, substitute 2 pulse torpedos for each wave gun. However, you will also need to add fighters or missiles on the planet as compensation. > It also seems like maybe you would want to include a couple of I plan to do this as a differnt scenario. However, you can add some Q-Ships with missiles instead of on the planet if you remove the Wave Guns.
From: Jonathan Jarrard <jjarrard@f...>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:45 -0500
Subject: Re: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> TEHughes wrote: That's true, but if you look at present day attempts to get hold of cutting edge technology by Third World countries it's just not that easy. Even when they get the stuff they often can't get/keep it running. However, I see your point. The British built some of the most powerful ocean-going ironclads in the world for Brazil and Chile last century, and then had to deal with some of them when they went rogue.
From: Haun, Gilles, SSG <haung@E...>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:39:41 -0500
Subject: RE: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
> ---------- Snip > Also, the south aquired some of their equipment by seizing Union There's also the possibility of puchases through mercenary channels: Seems anything's possible if you put some thought to it.
From: Denny Graver <den_den_den@t...>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:34:23 GMT
Subject: RE: FT Scenario - Dragon Twins
Re: A couple of commnets, though. Where are a bunch of outer colony worlds going to get hold of a specialized battle platform like a wave cruiser? The discovery of a wrecked alien (?) craft on the third moon was the starting point - subsequent research and development produced the wave gun - plus it fits in with the 'Dragon' theme. Just a wild thought:D