Hiya folks!
Here's something that came up in our game tonight that needs a little
clarification, regarding stationary movement.
Can you 'spin turn' on the turn that you decelerate to zero speed, or do you
need to be at zero speed *before the turn starts* in order to perform a spin
turn?
In other words, does it take *three* turns to stop, spin, and accelerate,
or can you spin on the turn which you stop in - i.e. can you spin in any
turn that your speed reaches zero, since your speed changes before you perform
any actual movement and affects that turn's entire movement?
> Here's something that came up in our game tonight that needs a little
The way I play is your 3 turn example.
Turn 1 - Decelerate to speed zero
Turn 2 - Spin to any facing (but facing must be indicated in orders, not
determined during movement)
Turn 3 - Accelerate away
> -MWS- wrote:
> Hiya folks!
Quoting FT2 p.7:
"A ship with a velocity of zero (ie:stationary) may, in its movement phase, be
rotated on the spot to any desired Course, irrespective of available Thrust or
normal limitations on Course changes. The ship may NOT make any actual
movement or apply any other Thrust in that Game Turn."
That last half sentence is your answer - if you're decelerating to a
stand-still, you *are* applying any other Thrust and therefore is not
allowed to spin to any direction (you can, of course, turn the normal amount!)
> In other words, does it take *three* turns to stop, spin, and
Yes.
Unless, of course, you use a house rule :-)
Regards,
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
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> Quoting FT2 p.7:
Actually, that wording is exactly what caused the question in the first place
- "any *other* thrust". If the rules had stated
"... may NOT make any actual movement nor apply ANY thrust in that game turn",
^ then there would have been no disagreement whatsoever. However, the
inclusion
of the word "other" causes a definite ambiguity - "other" than what?
"Other" than that used to deaccelerate to zero in the first place? The
inclusion of the word "other" strongly implies this interpretation, since
leaving the word out makes the sentence totally unambiguous without breaking
any gramatical constructs.
We rolled for it, and ended up applying the "no thrust at all during spin
turn" interpretation. However, it probably needs a ruling + FAQ'ing.
> > "A ship with a velocity of zero (ie:stationary) may, in its movement
> Actually, that wording is exactly what caused the question in the
Well it does take thrust to rotate and that is the base thrust involved and
anything else is 'other' thrust. If it does not apply any thrust that turn,
how can it rotate?;)
Yes, I can kinda see where that 'other' can be misinterpreted but it seems
pretty clear that the ship uses thrust to rotate and can not use thrust to do
anything else that turn other than rotating.
> -MWS- wrote:
Mark, My opinion:
In FT/MT it takes three turns as you stated.
In FB it can be done in two turns. 1. Come to a stop. 2. Rotate and thrust.
Bye for now,
> -MWS- wrote:
> > The ship may
> place - "any *other* thrust".
The Cinematic movement system doesn't make any difference between thrust
used to turn and thrust used to accelerate - both types are "thrust". In
order to spin in place you're using thrust, so your suggested re-write
would be self-contradictory (you can only rotate if you don't use any
thrust, but you use thrust to rotate so you can't rotate if you use
thrust to rotate... Moment 22, anyone? :-)
> However, the inclusion
Other than the thrust you use to rotate. No ambiguity at all.
> "Other"
gramatical constructs.
I completely disagree. Leaving the word "other" out would make the rule
completely meaningless, see above.
Regards,