FT Question

29 posts ยท Feb 8 2002 to Feb 12 2002

From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:21:45 -0500

Subject: FT Question

Hi, folks.

I've been using Micro-Machines (Star Trek & Star Wars) for my minis
while playing Full Thrust. What can I say? I'm way too lazy to paint
miniatures when I can get them cheap and already painted.

I've also looked into the counters for the game. These seem to be on the small
side (at least the ones I've seen).

What I'm wondering is... Do you have to change the size of the Nova Cannon
template according to the size of the figures you're using? If so by how much?

Also, out of curiosity, has anyone found other alternatives (read cheaper) for
metal miniatures in these games?

I also want everyone to know that I just bought (yesterday) Star Grunt II.
From what I've read of the rules so far It looks great! I love games that are
able to adapt to different backgrounds with ease. I also like the idea of
squad sized opponents more than those of vast armies. It
means less miniatures to paint up - hence being able to play sooner
(falling back on that "lazy" statement I made above).

Later,

From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:36:40 +0000

Subject: Re: FT Question

> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 08:21:45AM -0500, Warren Shultzaberger wrote:

> What I'm wondering is...

No; the ships are vastly over-scale anyway, so it's best just to measure
to the supporting post (or other defined central point) on each figure.

> Also, out of curiosity, has anyone found other alternatives (read

Metal miniatures cost...

From: MSN Renegade <msnrenegade@c...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:57:51 -0000

Subject: RE: FT Question

From: ~ On Behalf Of Warren Shultzaberger
Sent: 08 February 2002 13:22
Subject: FT Question

> Do you have to change the size of the Nova Cannon

No. The size of any "template" weapon should depend on the ground scale you
are using, typically 1 inch to one point of thrust.

See the top of FT2 page 9; "it is the centre of the model, or the centre of
the stand it is mounted on, that is used to determine the exact location of
the ship itself."

If on the other hand you are finding large models difficult to use with the
standard scale because they always seem to get on top of each other, and you
have a large area to work with, you can double everything including ranges and
velocity change per thrust. You would then double the radius of the Nova
template.

See FT2 page 3, "Units of distance" on this.

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:24:20 +0100 (MET)

Subject: Re: FT Question

Warren Shultzaberger schrieb:

> Also, out of curiosity, has anyone found other

There are various manufacturers of minis that can differ considerably in
prizes.
Irregular Miniatures ( http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/ ) has a
fairly extensive range at very competitive prices. Quality should be OKm, but
not really the best.

Some people make the minis themselves. It isn't really that difficult. Here's
a page with some fine examples:
http://www.tonsha.uklinux.net/ft.html

Greetings

From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker <schoon@a...>

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:08:24 -0800

Subject: Re: FT Question

On 2/8/02 5:21 AM, "Warren Shultzaberger" <carol.warren@prodigy.net>
wrote:

> Also, out of curiosity, has anyone found other alternatives (read

LEGOs!!

I've successfully experimented with LEGO for both FT and Star Wars. They
work great, are "pre-painted," and very durable!

From: kaime@m...

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:09:24 -0500

Subject: Re: FT Question

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From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:52:00 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: FT Question

On  8-Feb-02 at 12:05, kaime@mindspring.com (kaime@mindspring.com)
wrote:

> I just got back fromthe local Craft/Hobby store where I bouught

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:44:32 -0500

Subject: RE: Re: FT Question

Aimee said:
> If I didn't own my body weight or more in starship miniatures

The great thing about FT ships is that you can spray paint them and they look
okay. Islamic Fed ships are a bluish green, NSL primer grey, ESU olive or
black, NAC white, FSE dark blue. Sure, you'll go back later
and paint them to Agis-level detail (if you're truly compulsive), but
meanwhile you've done enough to get them on the table.

Too bad this doesn't work for SG figs. :-(

From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:46:38 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Re: FT Question

On  8-Feb-02 at 15:44, laserlight@quixnet.net (laserlight@quixnet.net)
wrote:
> Aimee said:

> olive or black, NAC white, FSE dark blue. Sure, you'll go back later

You could always play SG in 6mm scale...

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:19:31 EST

Subject: Re: FT Question

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:46:38 -0500 (EST) Roger Books
<books@jumpspace.net> writes:
> On 8-Feb-02 at 15:44, laserlight@quixnet.net (laserlight@quixnet.net)
<snip>
> Too bad this doesn't work for SG figs. :-(

6mm, sounds good to me... <grin>

Gracias,

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:19:31 EST

Subject: Re: FT Question

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:09:24 -0500 <kaime@mindspring.com> writes:
<snip>
> $10.00 and some time and make some great looking bead starships.

Aimee, good move.  I have been gradually working on my "non-canon-aliens
and humans" Starships and am using the left over wood beads I used to use to
make children's jewelry for my girls. Works really well,

Gracias,

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:41:20 +1100

Subject: RE: Re: FT Question

> At 03:44 8/02/02 -0500, you wrote:

AARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!! INFIDEL!!!!!!!!! That's called undercoating;)

Cheers

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:04:58 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: FT Question

I said:
> >The great thing about FT ships is that you can spray paint them and

Derek wailed:
> AARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!! INFIDEL!!!!!!!!! That's called undercoating

Sorry, I meant to say, "The great thing about FT ships is that you can

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:49:26 +1100

Subject: Re: Re: FT Question

> At 09:04 8/02/02 -0500, Infidel running dog laserlight [ ;) ] wrote:

That's OK then:)

Cheers

From: Randall L Joiner <rljoiner@m...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:14:16 -0500

Subject: Re: FT Question

*BLINK* Argh.

Well, so much for what I thought was an original idea...

I was hoping to surprise everyone with my designs, once they were
done...

They work really great.

You _can_ paint them, and add all sorts of touches with your typical
scratch build skills, if you want, but they work great without them too.

It can be expensive though... Rand.

> At 08:08 AM 2/8/02 -0800, Sean Bayan Schoonmaker wrote:
wrote:
> > Also, out of curiosity, has anyone found other alternatives (read
They
> work great, are "pre-painted," and very durable!

From: Randall L Joiner <rljoiner@m...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:19:19 -0500

Subject: Re: FT Question

They're are a couple of people, IIRC, here in Atlanta that have used beads to
do some very nice looking ships.

Also, someone, (can't remember who) used thick weighted paper and some glue to
build ships... Layered paper and an Exacto knife.

Aimee, you're compulsive... But aren't we all?:)

Rand.

> At 12:09 PM 2/8/02 -0500, kaime@mindspring.com wrote:

> -----Original Message-----

From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:39:58 -0500

Subject: RE: FT Question

> Randall L Joiner Wrote:

Okay... I can't resist and longer. If I am to appear ignorant so be
it... But...

What in the hell's name is a "bead?" Besides the usual, more mundane meaning.

On-another-note: Hey, Randall! We live next-door to each other! Well, at
least on a global scale. I live in North Augusta, SC, across the Savannah
River from Augusta, GA.

I sure wish there were more people around HERE that played FT & SG2. Most
everyone here plays that BoreHammer crap.

From: Michael Brown <mwbrown@s...>

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:01:02 -0800

Subject: RE: FT Question

Bead:  Those things you strung on yarn in grade school.  Think 7-9
year-old
girls having a craft party. Made from wood, plastic or glass. CHEAP, sold by
the pound.

Michael Brown

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From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:12:08 -0500

Subject: RE: FT Question

> Michael Brown Wrote:

OOOkay.....

Let me try to rephrase this.....

How are the "beads" used in making Spaceship miniatures for FT?

<grin>

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:48:41 +0100

Subject: Re: Re: FT Question

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From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:43:11 +0100

Subject: Re: FT Question

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:59:17 -0500

Subject: Re: FT Question

> ----- Original Message -----

Wander thru a craft store while thinking "I want to build a spaceship..." What
you end up with may be wire, matte board, metal mesh, beads, whatever. Glue,
wire, drill&pin, etc, these into whatever configurations you come up with.
Spraypa^h^h^hundercoat,

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:16:26 +1100

Subject: Re: Re: FT Question

> At 08:48 9/02/02 +0100, Karl Heinz wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----

Your going on my list too:)

Cheers

From: Randall L Joiner <rljoiner@m...>

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:05:44 -0500

Subject: Re: FT Question

> At 05:59 PM 2/9/02 -0500, you wrote:

Or until it looks wrong... very wrong. And you realize you have made the most
ugly, horrible pile of crud imaginable. Then happily take it to the next Con,
and sell it. Someone, somewhere, will think it's wonderful and perfect for
thier fleet.

I'm not kidding.

Well, ok, I am some. But I really wouldn't be surprised if I painted a piece
of dried buffalo chip and someone buying it.

Easiest way is to use them as spherical "nodules" or some such for a ship.
I've used some as "canisters" and cargo pods. Even used a few as

crew pods and such.

Someone here in Atlanta put a bead on a stand and called it an escape pod.
They'd drop a few in where ever they lost a ship. Rather amusing time was had
shooting them. Funniest was watching the Ruskies miss them!

If you ever make it to Mardi Gras, they throw the things at you for free. All
sizes and shapes. I've even seen several the size of golf balls. I had flashes
of imagination (insanity?) of using them for spaces stations.

Other notable cheap things you can pick up from a craft store for FT
use...
Styrofoam balls: paint black, mount on stands, make decent sensor blips,

and can be easily shaped and added to for genera-stations
"doll house stuff" can often times be mod'ed into stuff... Saw a doll house
antique bubble gum dispeser (the ones with the glass sphere at top, long,
usually red, metal pole to a round base),
Jewelry supplies:  The screw-on necklace fastenings can be placed on
stands
and bottoms of ships to allow quick attach/detach for big models that
might not fit into cases well or snap off when in storage.
Miniture cases:  Can be made from styrofoam slabs, decorate-yourself
boxes, etc. Model kits: There's an endless supply of scratch built "wings n
things"

that can be found in plastic models. Battle ship turrets make nifty gun

add-ons, where as aircraft carrier fighters have graced my fighter
counters. Clay, putty, and ceramics can be useful in several ways... People
build

Fighter stands out of them... (small base of clay with a pole at one end and a
molded die cradle at the other. Attache fighter model to pole, keep fighter
die counter in cradle...)

etc... etc... etc...

Use your imagination.

Word of warning... If you ever start looking around and notice how everything
could be used to scratch build your next fleet, it's time to take a bit of
time off... I wandered into a car parts store, saw a spark plug, and
immediately thought, ooo, what an interesting space station that would be...
Complete forgot to get the part I needed too.

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:59:07 EST

Subject: Re: FT Question

I like that design! May have to reverse engineer (never 'copy', no, no, no)
it. <grin>

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
Historical - Warbeads@juno.com
Fantasy and 6mm - dwarf_warrior@juno.com

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:43:11 +0100 KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de
> (K.H.Ranitzsch) writes:

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:59:07 EST

Subject: Re: FT Question

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:59:17 -0500 "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
writes:
> ----- Original Message -----

Got it in one!

And to be different (and using K.H.'s method)

Go vertical (aliens especially) on a stand O = 6mm round bead o = 4mm round
Bead
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From: Tony Christney <tchristney@t...>

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:53:35 -0800

Subject: Re: FT Question

One very useful tool for miniature and modeling in general is an airbrush. One
of the simplest things to do is to undercoat in your colour of choice.

With hand held masks, frisket and a double action brush you can do wonders,
very quickly at that. Vehicles are especially efficient.

There are many advantages over spray paint. The quality of the paint is much
nicer, your choice of colours is only limited by your imagination, there are
no ugly fumes, and the coating of paint is much more controllable and
smoother,

> On Saturday, February 9, 2002, at 11:48 AM, K.H.Ranitzsch wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:41:16 -0500

Subject: RE: Re: FT Question

What? You don't like the green plastic army man look?

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Brian Bell
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From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:40:41 +1100

Subject: RE: Re: FT Question

> At 01:41 11/02/02 -0500, Brian Bell wrote:

Watch out, I'll put you down on the list too;)

Cheers