Hi folks,
Has anybody done any research/playtesting with one-shot Pulse torps i.e.
the as SMRs are to SMLs, then these things are to regular Pulse torps. (I call
them PT Racks.) I checked the archives back as far as I have them searchable,
but I couldn't find anything back to Jan. 2000.
In particular, I'm thinking of something that would fit with UNSC destroyers,
and those 'torpedo' racks they've got slung underneath. (The part I'm thinking
of reminds me of the torpedo tubes that certain US WWII destroyers carried
amidships.) That kind of argues for
either a) 4 'torpedo fighter' style P-torps, or 2 'one-shot' ship
size torpedo racks (two tubes form each torpedo launcher -- one
is the actual 'tube', while the other tube forms the plasma generator, etc.)
Or, it could also be that, while I was putting my UNSC minis together,
I got the parts mixed up (damned modularity (8-) ), and so I've got
things that actually should go on the light/heavy cruiser. (8-)
Thanks, JGH
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> Jerry Han <jhan@warpfish.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> US WWII destroyers carried amidships.) That kind of argues for
Err.. actually each unit is 3 tubes in a row - I was considering making
them SMRs or SMLs, or, at one point, 3 MT Missiles.
Hmm... 3x 1-shot, 1 arc pulse torpedo - hmm.. if we assume that in an
average battle, a 1 arc pulse torp will be fired 4 times (I think I'm
being optomistic, the way I steer), then 1 shot is 1/4 effectiveness,
so, MASS of 3x 1 shot = 3 x 1 = 3 MASS (COST 9)
But thats a very rough guess :-)
> Or, it could also be that, while I was putting my UNSC minis together,
No, you got it right, although the same molding is also used as detail
on the SDN-X, the BB, etc.
An alternative molding (that fits the same hole) looks like a
double-barrel beam projector.
> Thanks,
Hope I was of some help.
> Has anybody done any research/playtesting with one-shot Pulse torps
Nope, but now that you mention it I can come up with something off the cuff.
> Hmm... 3x 1-shot, 1 arc pulse torpedo - hmm.. if we assume that in an
I think you're being optimistic too.
I'd settle the matter for a 1 shot weapon, and then you can just buy 3 of
them.
Hmmm.
I think that perhaps you did create a new UNSC DDH.
The UNSC Destroyers that I got from KR were single piece (not even engine
pods).
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Brian Bell bkb@beol.net
http://www.ftsr.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> US WWII destroyers carried amidships.) That kind of argues for
In message <9DB05BB477A8D111AF3F00805F5730100D10081C@exchange01.dscc.dla.mil>
> "Bell, Brian K (Contractor)" <Brian.Bell@dscc.dla.mil> wrote:
> Hmmm.
Are you sure those are not 'Patrol Cutter/frigates', of which two types
exist (one slightly larger than the other) - Hull with cylindrical
engine and two side pods - all on molding? - these are the largest
single section UNSC ships I've seen.
The UNSC Destroyers I got were in 3 pieces each, - main hull, engine
section, and the '3 cylinders in a row' piece that started this discussion.
Hi folks,
Okay, so I wasn't dreaming -- I took a look at the baggies last night,
and, after reading Brian's message, I was going to go back home and do an
inventory of every little piece of UNSC ship I still have left,
unassembled, in their little baggies. (Sorry KR -- I couldn't wait
for them, so I ordered them from Jon T. directly.)
Of course, we are drifting a little from the original topic --
one-shot Pulse Torpedos. (8-)
Thanks, JGH
> Charles Taylor wrote:
wrote:
> > Hmmm.
> Hmmm.
Are you sure they weren't the FT1104 or 1104A UNSC Patrol Cutters
(Frigates)? Those are single-piece (though the 1104A hull will accept a
DD engine unit to make a good DDH!), but the 1105 DDs are three parts (forward
hull, engine, weapon mount).
Jon (GZG)
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Hi people,
Thanks for the responses.
I'm inclined to go with either Schoon's response of MASS 2, PTS 6,
or MASS 3, PTS 9 for the P-Rack. I guess the question is, what type
of bonus in terms of MASS do you get for being disposable?
Another possibility is to take a page from the Submunition pack --
same MASS and PTS cost as a Class 1 battery, with roughly 3 times
the effectiveness. So, one could argue that a 3-shot P-rack
would be the same cost as a full blown P-Torp.
Well, Jon, given all the discussions about weapons on the list recently, it
looks like you're going to have to design a weapons
construction system. (A la 'Fire, Fusion and Steel') (8-)
JGH
> Jerry Han wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
[Bri] Salvo Missiles save 1/2 the mass of the ammo. But that does not
apply
here due to the fact that P-Torps do not have ammo.
> Another possibility is to take a page from the Submunition pack --
It depends on the chance to hit the target and the life-expectancy of
the weapon. Even an unlimited fire weapon will be unable to fire it it takes
threshold checks. So, a weapon on a small ship that fires 3 shots (or 3x
damage) could be much more effective than a weapon that has unlimted shots
(but cannot fire because the ship or weapon becomes damaged/destroyed).
> Well, Jon, given all the discussions about weapons on the list
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My comments above marked by [Bri]
I would suggest mass 2 gives 1 shot and 1 arc; 2 additional arcs may be
purchased for 1 mass (max arcs of 3). Cost is 3x mass.
This would make the 3 tubes mass 6 (1 arc) and allow 3 shots to be fired at
the same time.
--OR--
First tube (1 arc) mass is 3. Additional tubes may be added at 1 mass per
tube. The tubes may be placed in a turret (providing a total of 3 arcs) at an
additional mass of 1 per tube. Cost is 3x mass.
This would make the 3 tubes (1 arc) mass 5 and allow 3 shots to be fired at
the same time.
Disposable weapons should be costed with small, disposable ships in mind.