With Jon's permission, I present a first cut at New Israeli fleet designs for
your use and enjoyment, and to accompany the recent availability of the NI
miniature line. This is an Alpha release, and still subject to (potentially
substantial) revision. The fleet is in
the spirit of, and should be compatible with FB2 with fleet-book
revisions, often referred to as FT2.5. Any new or revised rules are presented
on the page.
Here it is:
http://nift.firedrake.org/Alpha/NIAlpha.html
I only have a few SSD's up, and will add more as I get to them, so keep an eye
out. I'll try to post notices when I add more.
Comments and feedback, especially from playtest, are actively solicited and
appreciated.
Just a 'which is the typo' question: Tzayad lists two three arc class
2's;
the SSD shows a third that's all arc. Which?
The_Beast
Whoops, just noticed that the SSD is a 'coming soon'...
Sorry, Noam.
The_Beast
> With Jon's permission, I present a first cut at New Israeli fleet
I suppose that means I'll need to finish revision of my Islamic Feds soon,
eh? ;-) For anyone who can't wait, I'm changing them from 5-row hulls
back
to 4 row, because with 5-rows they break too easily. And I'm changing
the smaller ships' loadout to MTM instead of SMR, because long range means
more survivable.
Noam, one thing I AM curious about is the split thrust display. Did I miss
that meeting?
Chris, does your inclusion of them indicate a tendency for MTM to survive into
FT 3? Realizing that 'past performance does not guarantee future
results...'
The_Beast
> Whoops, just noticed that the SSD is a 'coming soon'...
> Noam, one thing I AM curious about is the split thrust display. Did I
Damn, did it again!
The_Beast
> Noam, one thing I AM curious about is the split thrust display. Did I
Just look at this blinky red light thing...
> Chris, does your inclusion of them indicate a tendency for MTM to
I am blithely assuming that Alan's suggested update, as specified in the WDA
archive on Noam's site, will be adopted. OTOH the MTMs will be loaded in 4
mass increments, so you can always change them out for SMR if you prefer.
What about year introduced for the ships? This is helpful for those of us who
play using chronologically available ships where grasers aren't available,
etc.
I also got my mew NI fleet this past week and the minis do look great. I can't
wait to play them.
> Noam Izenberg <noam.izenberg@jhuapl.edu> wrote:
With Jon's permission, I present a first cut at New Israeli fleet designs for
your use and enjoyment, and to accompany the recent availability of the NI
miniature line. This is an Alpha release, and still subject to (potentially
substantial) revision. The fleet is in
the spirit of, and should be compatible with FB2 with fleet-book
revisions, often referred to as FT2.5. Any new or revised rules are presented
on the page.
Comments and feedback, especially from playtest, are actively solicited and
appreciated.
> What about year introduced for the ships?
Noam DID give some guidelines, such as early or late Xeno wars. Natch, you
have to have an original timeline handy... ;->=
The_Beast
> Doug Evans wrote:
Heh! Which I JUST happen to have up in a seperate browser. :-)
Quick paraphrase:
2183 - UNSC Survey Cruisers McCaffrey and Niven fail to return from
outworld survey near Lagos IV. PeaceForce Cruiser Heitman sent to investigate,
found debris from Niven indicating a battle. Later in the same year PAU
battle-
cruiser Kinshasa is destroyed in combat against an unknown hostile in the New
Lusaka system.
In 2184 a NAC squadron engages and destroys two ships from an attacking alien
group.
To me, these mark the prelude of the Xeno Wars.
Quoted:
2185: The first co-operative action between the ESU and NAC against the
KraÂVak occurs at the Battle of Sulaxar; although tensions still run high
(especially in diplomatic circles), the militaries of all the major
powers -
plus several smaller nations - are coming inexorably together in the
face of a much greater threat. On 28.07.85, the UN Assembly declares that a
state of war now officially exists between all the nations of Humanity and the
race known as the KraÂVak; the First InterSentient War (rapidly christened
the Xeno War by the popular media) has truly begun
For what it's worth.
Mk
Beast, I'm sorry about the confusion. There are now two full, or nearly full
versions of the NI fleet up on my pages. The "unofficial" one is all stealth
hulls and split drives. These incorporate a number of rules from the WDA, and
have not been officially sanctioned in any way. I'm
_still_ working on Jon to make him see that Stealth is _way_cool_ and
works. But he's a skeptical 'un. :-)
The "official" one is still in alpha-test, and thus sanctioned in a
prototype sense. Whether those designs become the "true" designs for New
Israel depends a) on whether I can sacrifice the right goat to get stealth
through, and b) if the ships meet with approval and gameplay success from
people in these (and other) FT groups. Anyone who's on the Yahoo group, for
example, feel free to post the link there.
As for timelines, I have updated my (again, unofficial) NI timeline to
be in concordance with the new GZG mini-line, and added production
dates to the notes on the Alpha ships. If anyone is interested in either, I'd
be happy to hear comments and suggestions. I'm especially interested in
whether the fleet introduction years seem logical (perhaps I should move some
of them to sooner dates?), and if the
NI-timeline interaction with other powers in the GZG-verse sound
reasonable (naturally, the NI has allot to do with IF, for example).
So you don't have to go looking beck, the links are:
http://nift.firedrake.org/Alpha/NIAlpha.html
and
http://nift.firedrake.org/NITimeline.htm
> Beast, I'm sorry about the confusion.
Never apologize for my confusion; I claim it as all mine. ;->=
Never apologize for work-in-progress; I speak for a lot of lurkers and
us dilettantes, who are grateful, and a bit shamed, someone's putting out the
effort!
The_Beast
> The "unofficial" one is all stealth hulls and split drives. These
And works easily. When you post your AARs, make sure you mention that it was
simple as well as fun. Go into rhapsodies how your 6 year old son,
your non-gamer wife, your 87 year old grandmother, even the 13 year old
Evil Empire player could pick it up at a glance.
And point out that it can be used for Crew Quality and Tech Level differences,
not just Stealth.
(Hey, if NI and IF are *both* in favor of it, it's *got* to be good, right?)
> Noam wrote:
> With Jon's permission, I present a first cut at New Israeli fleet
Also Forwarded to the Stargrunt-Fullthrust, Fullthrust and
fullthrustclub Yahoogroups.
Later,
G'day,
> I'm especially interested in whether the fleet introduction years seem
A question on your timeline, really a question about the general GZG timelines
on the net. In the same way there seems to be a "and my colony
is a new Anglo-X breakaway society" tendency, why with all of space
available do the same enemies trip over each other as happens on Earth? Why
not unexpected new tensions? I can understand general tensions, but with
little padding it seems illogical (though maybe I'm being naive) for
"2126 The colony on Tzfat (population ~50,000) is overwhelmed and destroyed by
IF forces."
Similarly why the sudden strike by IF in 2173?
I'm not saying chuck the idea altogether, the official timeline itself
indicates some degree of on going NI-IF tension, I think it would just
sit better with a little more explanation. Might also be nice to see the NI
but heads with some other power too at some point. On Nyrath's map (assuming
I'm not screwing up the third plane implications of the map) the NI are
neighbours with the ESU, NAC and the Swiss close up and then the Romanov
Hegemony and the LLAR before you run into the IF.
Cheers
> A question on your timeline, really a question about the general GZG
Perhaps because most of the powers described are really centered on
Earth--that's where the majority of their population is. Attacks on
the colonies might been seen as a regrettable - but - acceptable way
to express hostilities between the home countries.
> Perhaps because most of the powers described are really centered on
PS: this obviously does not apply to New Israel.
Any links to it? As a relative newcomer to the list, I don't have everything
memorized nor every Full Thurst page indexed. Are this maps
official? I've seen some astro-political map on the *Computer Core* (i
think was) and other maps on other websites have everything rearranged. The
only thing some of these maps have in common is that Earth is the center
reference point.
> Beth.Fulton@csiro.au wrote:
On Nyrath's map (assuming I'm not screwing up the third plane implications of
the map) the NI are neighbours with the ESU, NAC and the Swiss close up and
then the Romanov Hegemony and the LLAR before you run into the IF.
G'day,
> Any links to it?
Its on the Encyclopodia galactica site under stellar cartography
http://www.projectrho.com/ft/ftmap2.html
> As a relative newcomer to the list, I don't
Not an officially sanctioned map, but was at least in the past fairly
widely accepted by non-lurker list members, can't speak for what the
lurkers think;)
Cheers