FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

10 posts ยท Mar 20 2002 to Apr 5 2002

From: Imre A. Szabo <ias@s...>

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:40:44 -0500

Subject: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

Hi Guys,

Assuming that the Fleet Books are correct, 1 mass = 100 tonnes, 1 hold could
carry up to 100 tonnes of cargo or troops. I am planning to use
OGRE/GEV as a ground combat system for a Full Thrust campaign this
summer.  1 NPV =  6 OGRE/GEV points.  This allows 1 bio mass of Sa'Vasku
to be the equivalent of 2 heavy tanks...

For regular units, cargo space = points / 12.  This means 1 hold can
carry 2 heavy tanks (i.e.. 2 x 50 ton tanks), or 1 supper heavy tank (i.e.. 1
x 100 ton tank), or 2 platoons of infantry (i.e. 6 squads). Player's will
build units to deploy, including support forces. I hope to have regiment to
division level engagements...

For OGRE's, about 25 points equal 2 holds. This means a Mark 1 requires 2
holds, Mark II requires 4 holds, Mark III requires 8 holds, Mark IIIB, Fencer,
and Ninja require 10 holds, Mark IV, Mark V, and Fencer B require 12 holds,
Mark VI and Dopplesolander require 16 holds. Note that each can be carried in
only one cargo bay. To make this a greater limitation, freighters are going to
have their holds divided between six cargo bays... Special OGRE transports are
possible, instead of holds, they have a hanger large enough to carry the OGRE;
the usually 1.5 x mass carried is used.

Any comments??? Did I forget something???

Why am I not using Dirtside? You have to win one to four battles to
conquer each planet.  With 2 man-hours to set-up and 1 man hour to
strike per battle, miniatures are not do able. But I have lots of
Panzer Leader, Panzer Blitz, and Arab-Israeli Wars mapboards that can be
set up and struck in minutes...

By the way, does anyone have ideas for Sa'Vasku or Phalon bio units for
OGRE/GEV???

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:37:43 +1100

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> At 07:40 19/03/02 -0500, ias wrote:

> OGRE/GEV???

GZG does do 6mm bio tanks (for the Sa'Vasku) I have a handful to go with my
6mm Bugs. They look like the 1950's Hollywood "War of the Worlds" Movie
Martian war machines but lumpy.

Cheers

From: Imre A. Szabo <ias@s...>

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:04:52 -0500

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> By the way, does anyone have ideas for Sa'Vasku or Phalon bio units

> GZG does do 6mm bio tanks (for the Sa'Vasku) I have a handful to go

Thanks Derek, but what I really need are OGRE/GEV Sa'Vasku and Phalon
unit stats and rules, not figs. Do to the size of the force that will be
involved, minitures are not an option...

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:06:59 +0100

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> IAS wrote:

> Assuming that the Fleet Books are correct,

They are correct *in the GZG background universe only*.

> 1 mass = 100 tonnes, 1 hold could carry up to 100 tonnes of cargo or

Less than 100 tonnes, but how much less is up to you. The 100 tonnes of cargo
hold represented by 1 Mass also includes the hull structure surrounding the
payload volume and any supporting systems needed to operate it (except
engines, which are handled explicitly).

From: Imre A. Szabo <ias@s...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:01:17 -0500

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> Less than 100 tonnes, but how much less is up to you. The 100 tonnes

Actually, I thought the hull structure was included in hull integrity. Is
there any consencus as to how much useable mass per hold is available to haul
stuff???

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:12:02 -0800

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

> Assuming that the Fleet Books are correct,

But useful for designing one's own background universe. :-)

3B^2

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:26:11 -0800

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> From: "Imre A. Szabo" <ias@sprintmail.com>

> Actually, I thought the hull structure was included in hull integrity.

I've been working on a ration, but it's totally tied in with the particular
background I'm using, so would probably be useless in the Tuffleyverse or any
other setting.

3B^2

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:39:10 -0800

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

If you're looking for Even More Maps for your Ogrish battles, there are
a couple of GDW and ex-GDW games that would work very well. The Sands of

War series comes with tons of maps, all of which look Just Right for the

scale in Ogre/GEV, and they're geomorphic to boot. Air Strike and the
later games published by CoA also come with maps in the right scale. The

CoA maps also have that wonderful hand-drawn look.

> Imre A. Szabo wrote:

> Hi Guys,

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:14:37 +0100

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

> IAS wrote:

> >Less than 100 tonnes, but how much less is up to you. The 100 tonnes

Remember that you pay 1xTMF for the "basic hull structure" and 2x(MASS of hull
boxes) for the "hull integrity".

> Is there any consencus as to how much useable mass per hold is

Don't think so, no.

Later,

From: Donald Hosford <hosford.donald@a...>

Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 04:08:56 -0500

Subject: Re: FT: Holds for hauling OGRE/GEV troops...

A while back this was bandied about, and no single value was ever reached. The
only thing that was agreed on, was: "Use whatever value works."

Donald Hosford

> "Imre A. Szabo" wrote:

> > Less than 100 tonnes, but how much less is up to you. The 100 tonnes