> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, bif smith wrote:
[...]
> 1-Would ANYbody actually use a nova cannon for long range fire,
Well, they're good for sweeping mines away, popping defsats from long range,
and forcing an opposing fleet into maneuvering elsewhere or splitting up so
the NC fire passes harmlessly between them (but then it is assumed your own
forces will then concentrate on one of the
split wings ;-)
I'm sure there are other, more subtle uses for NCs that I'm not thinking of at
the moment.
Mk
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> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Donald Hosford wrote:
> I finally got my copy of the FB2! (Life was interfering with my
I've only ever seen funky snails, too (and have mind painted with Amer Indian
warpaint schemes). I personally don't see what the others see (without some
serious stretching of the imagination).
But I guess that depends on what's on each person's mind... ;-)
> Very cool book!
No doubt. :-)
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> > 1-Would ANYbody actually use a nova cannon for long range fire,
Clearing out MTM, I suppose, although the "long range" bit wouldn't be likely
to be useful.
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Let me check I`ve got this right-
Acid SD-Heavy close range firepower. Using pulsers limited to close
range.
If they are a effective anti-fighter weapon, instead of using 2D6 for
intercepting fighters, say that heavy fighters get no bonus against these
guns? Would these guns require use of F.Cons in anti-fighter role or
not? After all, you need a balance for the lack of range. If you say you
require a active F.Con, you can say 1 F.Con per target, with each fighter
group a target, capable of being targeted by as many guns as avalible.
Archer SD-Pure heavy missile platform, designed to provide heavy long
range firepower.
Avalanche SD-Pure long range energy weapon platform. Cl.3 bat equipt.
Auger SD-Require a heavy needle beam type weapon, but is slow firing. We
can represent this by making the heavy needle beams require more mass. I know
this would make the weapons more vulnerable to damage, so you could just have
limited firecons, limiting the number of beams that can be fired at once.
Ambush BC-??? I realise this design will be slower than a normal BC, But
faster than a SD (thrust-3?, 4?). What weapon loadout would be
reasonable? I remember from the book that the BC`s had some missile weapons,
but a mixed general weapons loadout seams a better idea for these vessels than
a specialised weapon load.
Antilope BC-A later design, introduced as a direct answer to the
dunquirk BC`s (posted on FTSR). A heavy long ranged missile loadout.
Caterphact CLE-PDS ecort light cruiser.
Carbine CLM-Missile light cruiser.
Cleaver CLP-Plasma gun (a.la. acid sd) light cruiser
Cannon CLL-Energy weapon light cruiser, same weapons as the avalaunch
sd.
Barfly CH???-Cloak capable cruiser, design to scout or recon/lay dormant
until someone stumbles upon it. Known to carry missiles, most probably a mixed
loadout like the ambush BC. PDS weak (easy meat for a fighter strike).
PS-Is it a CH or CL, can`t remember?
Guardian? CH-Very slow (thrust 1) defence ship, designed to be a mobile
weapons platform instead of building/ save time before building
defencive space stations.
Bug capitol ship are slow and tough (except the antilope BC), while cruisers
are fast and weak (expendable).
Bug Primary Beams (heavy needle beams) Mass=7 Cost=28 Arcs=5 (cannot fire
through rear arc) Requires a dedicated firecon. Roll 1D6. At ranges to 12MU,
causes 1 DP on a 4 or 5, and on a 6 causes 2 DP and knocks out a system
allocated before roling (including drives, same as two threshold checks, but
half can be repaired with DCP). At ranges 12 MU to 24MU, causes 1 DP on a 5,
and knocks out nominated system (half drive, same as a normal needle beam) and
1 DP on a 6. Use a normal needle beam symbol, but in a gun battery symbol
showing firing arcs.
These are the way I`m going to attempt to redesign my bug designs, but I
require at least a hint as to the weapons for the barfly picket cruiser (and
is it a heavy or light) and the ambush BC. Also, is it called the guardian,
the defence cruiser?. I don`t think I`ve forgoten any ships, but wouldn`t be
suprised if I did. I`d welcome feedback on the primary beams, as they seam to
be a bit light for the arcs, but would it make a differance if they required 2
firecons?
BIF "yorkshire born,yorkshire bred, strong in arms, thick in head"
***
3-Anime uses mecha extensivly, especially in space. What would be a good
way to represent or design mecha for use in FT (this I don`t even have any
ideas for yet). For this, I keep thinking about the mecton Z book, which had a
system of scaling equipment/weapons/whatever, that allowed you to design
anything from powered armour to starships, using the same construction rules.
***
I'm not entirely sure how small mecha would be different from regular
fighters. I know long ago, mecha was discussed, but with FTII simplicity, I
don't recall especially big differences, except those REALLY in love with
piloted anthro-robots wanted them to be super agile and the like.
I suppose you could make them instant boarding parties, as I've seen some
anime where they stride corridors, torching crew...
I refuse to discuss BIG mecha.
The_Beast
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> From: "bif smith" <bif@bifsmith.fsnet.co.uk>
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> 1-Would ANYbody actually use a nova cannon for long range fire, because
Our group uses them in campaigns versus immobile targets at long range
(ie.
space stations and such).
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G'day guys,
> I'm not entirely sure how small
One of the guys here uses the mecha fighters made by Nic (and I'm assuming
Jon). We ended up saying that they could attempt to board instead of just
doing a normal attack. If they were successful then you started doing boarding
action like resolution with one mech worth x boarding factors (and I've
completely forgotten the number sorry). We also opted for using
Schoon's boarding rules rather than the ones in FT/MT as they worked
better.
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Have a look at
http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/ft/hbw.htm
You'll have to wait about 8 hours, as I've just realised I need to update the
pages (looks like the server may have reverted to an old backup copy).
Neath Southern Skies -http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/
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Organization: Haphazard at best.
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:48:51 -0500 (EST), Mark Kochte <kochte@stsci.edu>
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> I've only ever seen funky snails, too (and have mind painted with
To paraphrase Freud, sometimes a snail is just a snail.
Allan Goodall awg@sympatico.ca
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***
To paraphrase Freud, sometimes a snail is just a snail.
***
However, if everybody calls it something else...
Most of us heard the noise long before we saw the figs. I must say, I had to
stretch, though not far, my imagination to make the connection when I finally
picked up a few packs.
Now, the brain bugs from the movie SST... *shudder*
The_Beast
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Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler
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Another thing to keep in mind is the difference between commercial and
military drives. Although having no effect on the tactical level, it's
important strategically and needs to be accounted for. The easiest way I can
see is to have commercial drives cost 10% per thrust. This will use up some of
the extra mass on the Bug capitals (and go towards modelling the number
disparity between forces).
I don't quite understand your explanation of AF pulsers, but you can apply
the C-1 vs fighter rules to this (requires 1 working firecon; 5-6 kills
1 fighter).
I did a variation on primary beams a while back. Doesn't exactly mirror the
effect of primaries in Starfire, but should be suitable to FT play (scary when
several used).
http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/ft/cutters.htm
For your heavy needlebeam rules, how about:
Heavy Needlebeam
Mass: 5+2 per extra arc (max 3), Cost: 3 per mass.
Rolls 2 die at 0-12, & 1 die at 12-24. Read as normal needlebeam rules.
A lot easier and the numbers should crunch better.
For the Barfly CL; in FT terms probably 1 SMR, 2 x C2, 2 x PDS, cloak,
superior sensors.
Neath Southern Skies -http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/
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Some types of fighters mix a lot easier than others. The most effective
combinations I've found are: Heavy Attack Long Range Attack Fast Interceptor
Most of the other combinations actually reduce the effectiveness of the
fighter type to the point where you're better off with 2 standard squadrons.
They're not canon (having been neatly eliminated by the fixed values in FB1),
but will turn up in structured scenarios and webgames. Another little tweak
that has been used (mainly in the MKW battles) is for every full 3 squadrons,
you can spend 6 pts to upgrade 1 squadron to Ace status. Its considered polite
to take 1 turkey for every 2 ace squadrons as well (you don't get any points
back though!) for character. Occasionally your turkey squadron will do better
than the aces...
I have to do some more work on them, but when you build the fighters using
DS/SG rules, it becomes obvious what is feasable to use.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/sg/fighters.htm
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> Having just watched the latest episode of nadesco, martian succesor, I
Yeah, this was my idea, I believe. I play pretty much entirely custom design
games with no limits on most anything, and arrived at the conclusion that if
you could "scale up" plasma bolts you ought to be able to do the same with the
genre super-guns, or else they'd be useless to mount on anything larger
than
about mass 50... which seems counter-intuitive to the genre in which
they're displayed.
> 1-Would ANYbody actually use a nova cannon for long range fire,
Since the nova cannons take little penalty for long range fire (maneuvering
isn't that big a deal that far out) I will use them for a lot of different
things:
1. Harassing slow maneuvering (or non-maneuvering) enemies.
2. Breaking up area defense phalanxes. 3. Controlling the space around the
enemy to make them move for reasons other than setting up their fire just
perfectly.
I'd say they're certainly worth firing at long range for all these reasons.
> 2-Would a x5 wave gun require 6 power points, or thirty power points
The way I've been playing it in my own games is that they still take as much
to charge up (larger gun, larger self-contained power plant), but will
do multiples of damage equal to their class if they're taken out while
partially charged. If you take the genre a step further (crazier), we also
don't allow
wave guns to be charged while cloaked -- the PSB for this is that wave
guns
are potentially planet-shattering weapons, they show a TON of energy to
enemy sensors, far more than can be concealed.
I might just go get hold of this anime now that you've mentioned it.:)
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In a message dated 12/18/2000 8:02:39 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> devans@uneb.edu writes:
<< Out of curiosity, are you asking if there are figs LIKE the old TSR Sathar,
and would fit well beside them, or what would be good as a whole new
fleet-type?>>
He.. he Well, I'm actually looking for figs LIKE the old Sathar boxed set. I
have a couple I snagged off ebay. Plus two boxes of Feds and two sets of
"Privateers and Yachts."
It's a good begining. I'm thinking some of the Mckewen minis to fill out the
Fed fleet. But I'm kinda stumped on the Sathar. Nothing I've seen so far has
the right "look" to it.
<>
LOL, ya, a "wide" variety of sizes all right. The Fed battleship is only
about 2/3rds the size of the Sathar heavy cruiser, the Sathar Frigate is
a little larger than the fed destroyer... Gaaa.... I'm going to change the
ships designations around to try and size them correctly. What the hey, it'll
be a fun fleet. (while they last:o)
<<As far as vermiform, I'm trying to remember if they were segmented. That
WOULD be an interesting looking fleet. >>
Vermiform??
Randy
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Those UNSC ships were painted by Richard Dufault and the miniatures are mine.
Richard has been selected as one of the top painters in the FT
category in each of three years of the GZG-ECC.
KR, I thought that you had photos of the Courier and the Battle Dreadnaught as
well? I must say that your editing on the Deep Range Explorer Class was well
done. I don't imagine it was easy to remove the hangar bay that I added to the
base miniature.
Jim
> Kieran Rohan wrote:
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Hi All,
FIRST: Please respond to <s_schoon@pacbell.net>. I'll collate the
votes and post the final results to the list for all. TRY not to simply hit
"Reply."
What FT play aids would you find most useful?
Examples that I've thought of off the top of my head.
1) A non-loop type arc template
2) A clear template for SML or Fighter attack range 3) SML counters 4) Fighter
counters
Let me know which of these - or better yet, ones that I haven't
thought of - you'd use most.
Rank 'em. Sort of like I did <:-)
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***
One of the guys here uses the mecha fighters made by Nic (and I'm assuming
Jon). We ended up saying that they could attempt to board instead of just
doing a normal attack. If they were successful then you started doing boarding
action like resolution with one mech worth x boarding factors (and I've
completely forgotten the number sorry). We also opted for using
Schoon's boarding rules rather than the ones in FT/MT as they worked
better.
***
The slight problem I have is, even if you think of the mecha as a super
boarding party, it's only in one place, not the thing for disabling the
ship single-handed, unless they're Borg-like in the ability to hook into
the ship.
Though, given my bias towards a heavy penalty the 'jack-of-all-trades'
pays in inefficiency, I'd assume poorer performance in any role. Poor fighter,
weighed down by the extra mechanical equipment for transformation; poor
in-ship knife-fighter, lumbering awkwardly down tight-fit ship's
corridor.
Ymmv, big time.
The_Beast
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You know I just got a good look at the Drazi fleet on Starrangers page. Those
might make VERY cool Sathar. (But isn't there a rule about not giving the
"bad" guys cooler looking ships than yours?;o)
Randy
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Vermiform - worm shaped. I was trying to imagine space ships that look
like earthworms. I'm intrigued.
Have you looked at Star Fleet Battles Gorn? They have squashed spheres like
the biggest Sathar, and the curves of the engines have that 50's-60's
look.
And, while pretty expensive on eBay, they are still around in cut-out
bins.
Not sure they'd be great, but might fulfill auxiliary roles. A
couple-three
little putty lumps might help.
I think it was five years ago someone was selling blisters for a buck and
boxes for two of the old Star Frontiers figs at GenCon. Wish I'd gotten a LOT
more.
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In a message dated 12/18/2000 8:28:03 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> devans@uneb.edu writes:
<< Vermiform - worm shaped.
Oh, thought that sounded vamiliar
<>
LoL and just today I found a mini from "Silent Death"... The "Space Worm"
naaaa, not the right flavor I'm looking for.
<<Have you looked at Star Fleet Battles Gorn? They have squashed spheres like
the biggest Sathar, and the curves of the engines have that 50's-60's
look.
And, while pretty expensive on eBay, they are still around in cut-out
bins.>>
Hmmm, there's an idea.
<>
LoL... somewhere in my Star Frontiers notes binder I have a
"make-a-figure"
set of instructions. Useing silicon rubber, (windown caulking as I recall) to
make the mold of a figure, then wood putty to make the figures. I intend on
expanding my playing fleet. (Oh yes, AND getting spare parts:o)
Randy
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> At 09:06 PM 12/18/00, you wrote:
:)
I can highly recommend Nadesico. It is a classic show which both parodies
and pays homage to all the giant robot/band of innocents in a supership
shows of the 70s which set the pattern for so much anime to follow. Anyone
with an appreciation of such classics as Space Battleship Yamato, SDF Macross,
Magaziner Z, Gatchaman or any of a number of similar show will be rolling from
all the in jokes and references. The show also parodies anime fandom (several
of the characters are themselves anime fans, and most of
the pilots are obvious sterotypes of anime otaku of various sorts)... the
Christmas episode (the traditional 'rehash/recap' episode for most anime
shows) is an absolute howl.
At the same time, there are serious moments and and some good character
development (for anime, anyhow) so there's enough depth to leaven the humor.
An excellent show; it's delightful to see how the writers parody the
stereotypes of the genre while simultaneously holding the audience enraptured
with those selfsame cliches. Lots of fun.
Oh, and I can't speak for the movie. Haven't seen it yet.:(
"Business!" cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. "Mankind was my
business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance and
benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but
a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business." - Jacob
Marley, _A Christmas Carol_
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From: "bif smith" <bif@bifsmith.fsnet.co.uk>
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I was thinking about the accelerations involved in FT, and are asking some of
the better number crunchers out there if they`ve worked out some figures
for the following?-
Fighters-Capable of going from a standing start to a standing stop over
36 MU (48 MU for fast fighters)
SML`s-Also capable of going from a standing start to a standing stop (or
reverse it`s direction by 6 MU) over 36 MU (ER SML`s)
If you say a K-gun round is in flight for, say 2 mins (for the sake of
arguments), what would be it`s velocity to cover 30 MU?
What thrust would be required to move a 20 k-tonne SD to generate a miss
from said K-gun round on those 2 mins? (Although I don`t know if there
is a phisical size given for a FT vessel in meters, for the sake of arguments,
lets say 400 meters long, so needs to move 200 meters?).
The above figures (if anybody works them out), for the fighters and SML`s,
give you a general idea of what a PDS system is capable of engaging, but
the velocity of the K-gun round should be MUCH greater to represent the
imposiblity of PDS to stop it. The above figures also give a ROUGH idea of
what the capablities of the best drive systems are in the FT universe, because
nobody is going to use lest than the best performance posible in their
fighters or missiles, are they?. It also shows up the limited range and
accelerations of the MT missile, and why most people (or just me?) think it is
due for a update.
BIF "yorkshire born,yorkshire bred, strong in arms, thick in head"
In message <9DB05BB477A8D111AF3F00805F5730100D10070E@exchange01.dscc.dla.mil>
> "Bell, Brian K (Contractor)" <Brian.Bell@dscc.dla.mil> wrote:
> I once did a classed Wave Gun for an Anime Specific series of games.
I've been bouncing similar ideas around inside my head recently (ow!) mostly
inspired by stumbling on a number of "Space Battlecruiser Yamato"
websites :-)
> From whay I gleaned from these sites (and a friend - never saw the show
(???!!) was powered by its Jump drive - so...
The Spacial Discontinuity Cannon (SDC for short)
PSB: A modification to a ships FTL drive that creates an unstable FTL drive
field and projects it away from the ship, the drive field expands and travels
in a straight line at lightspeed, any object caught in the field suffers
damage from sheer effects and the energy released as local space undergoes a
phase change, and thats enought technobabble for now, my head hurts! Due to
structural contraints, the SDC must be mounted along the spinal core of the
ship (but not necessarily pointing
forwards - it could point backwards :-).
Game effects The system requires a functioning FTL drive of sufficient size
(based on
weapon class) to function. (I recommend consulting the rules on FTL-ing
out of combat just now) If such systems are in use, I recommend changing the
rules on using FTL in combat to allow a ship to manoueuver on the turn that an
FTL
charge-up was declaired (why- see below).
To use the weapon, the player first declairs an FTL charge up (but need
not state why - as an option, enhanced/superior sensors could determine
if an FTL charge-up is for an FTL jump or a SDC shot).
On the next turn, the ship cannot manouevre, and can (and must) fire the SDC
during the fire phase.
Ok, the effects are similar to Brian's "Classed Wave Gun" above, but I have it
do 1d6 per class within 12 mu, with a 1 mu wide Area of Effect (AoE), losing
1d6 and gaining 1 mu of AoE width per 12 mu in distance from the firing ship.
I'd say that the weapon does half to armour, half to hull (or next shell
layer)
,
and vapourises fights and missiles in the AoE. I can't decide whether
screens should protect (c.f. Phalon PBLs) or not - this would adjust
price.
Ok, from the tech description, the effect should travel in the direction that
the ship is pointing, however, remember the granularity of the FT turning
system, I'd say that the arc should be at least a 30 degree arc centered on
the ships centerline, or possibly the whole F arc for simplicity.
Ok, MASS and COST:
Class MASS COST Minimum FTL drive MASS required
1 2 6 1
2 3 9 2
3 6 18 3 4 12 36 5 5 24 72 10 6 48 144 20 each larger class is 2x the MASS,
COST, and FTL requirement of the previous.
The costs are based on the costs of beam systems with equivalent damage, with
fudge factors to try and cover things like the area of effect, needs a turn to
charge first, cannot manouvre on turn it is fired, etc.
Oh, and _yes_ you can have more than one SDC on a ship, if you have
enough FTL drive mass to power them.
And _yes_ there is no reason why a ship could not carry an over-sized
FTL drive to power it SDC
Well, I've rabbited on enough - any comments?
I have other odball designs too - the Expanding Plasma Blast (a
'classed' nova cannon), generic rules for 'pushing the design limits'
weapons (you've already seen the generic spinal mount concept - the
other is "insufficient power supply" - getting a big weapon cheap
because you don't have enough power to use it _and_ the other ships
systems in the same turn - c.f. SMNC) - and something I call the
"Disintegration Vortex" - remember "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" -
remember the ship-eating energy bolts - I'm trying to design a
_balanced_ (i.e. weaker) FT version - basically it flys around for
several turns, and if it hits, it does damage for several turns.
Charles
wierd weaponry for Xmas :-)
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Subject: Re: Iain Banks' Culture in FT (was Ship Names )
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> Ndege Diamond <nezach@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Unfortunately no one on that site has accumulated the Idiran ship
Culture, et a l
> >ships to FT? I'd love to see that done. I'd do it myself, but I've
Then
> there is the Sleeper Service, but that was a Special Circumstance
Diamond
All of my musings are being discussed at once! (I go away for a week and
see what happens :-)
I've had some thoughs on a 'Culture inspired' (but toned down a
bit) alien(?) race for the Tufflyverse - most is still very much 'work
in progress' - their chief purpose was to irritate the Sa'Vas'Ku - but
I have thoughts about FT systems:
Effectors - very effective at fiddling with systems (or peoples brains!)
my current thoughts are of a long range needle-beam like system - that
_may_ be able to knock out core systems (on a very good roll at shor
range I think!) - very nasty!
Displacement pods - treat as a 'placed counter' weapon system, c.f. SMLs
and PBLs - but the counter is a 'displacement point' - flipped to reveal
what it _really_ is _after_ PDS is allocated - Displacement pods can
come with either warhead magazines (like SML magazines, but smaller) or plasma
generators. These can also be used to place bording parties near enemy ships,
launch fighter groups, (or even small craft if the DP is big enough).
Gridfire projectors and CREWs - use standard FT beam rules.
Help - I think I'm aquiring an obbsession with designing new and weird
weapons for FT! (mostly based on Books, Films, & TV).
Charles
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To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Those Darn Star Destroyers (was Re: New Conversion of Babylon 5
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In message <200012192137.WAA26067@d1o901.telia.com>
> "Oerjan Ohlson" <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:
[snip]
> I can name another well-known SF series (movies though, not TV) where
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> Regards,
Hmm.. I'll have to try and find the URL of a website that did a lot of
discussion on the relative sizes of 'star destroyers' and the 'super
star destroyer' - the author came to the conclusion that there was
little reason to believe that the big ship was officially designated a 'super
star destroyer' and that it could be a battlecruiser or battleship! In which
case the 'star destroyers' (SDs) would be about the
right size for - destroyers!
Hmm.. what kind of navy has a fleet consisiting of:
1 or 2 battleships lots and lots of destroyers?
OTOH, the SDs in Episode 4 were mostly performing patrol and pursiut duties,
those in Episode 5 were 'escorting' a lone 'battleship', while in Episode 6 we
see a fleet of them with 1 (or maybe more?) 'battleship' and a
'fortification'.
Hmm.. thinking about that, many of the rebel ships were described as
'frigates' or 'corvettes', although I think the big MonCal ships were called
'cruisers'.
A really screwy Star Wars/FT conversion comes to mind, but I'm sure its
been done before :-)