One thing that bugs me is people saying the same thing, over and over
again...
Just teasing; wanted to point out I saw the same post twice, just in case you
didn't get it back twice.
Zoe wrote on 04/14/2006 01:27:06 AM:
> One thing that bugs me slightly - and this is a personal opinion, and
Not a unique-to-you opinion; first thought in my brain on seeing the map
the first time.
However, I hoped the numbers ON those planets, and the assumed planetary
conditions, would make the fewer, older colonies far more than balanced in
value and importance. I haven't looked at the population and production
numbers people have tried to work out, but if they don't reflect the above,
I'd tend not to accept them.
Also, I'm a bit fuzzy on the inner colonies status. Are they divvied amongst
the supers? Does that help a bit? The names point to many being ESU, though.
> The relative numbers of colonies for major vs minor powers.
Again, I'd mitigate it a bit by quality over quantity. But only a bit...
However, you might be somewhat hard on the lesser partner supers.
2/3-3/4
instead of half?
Oh, and, I even call the one-owner per system, or even planet, into
question. The central thrust of my Four Corners campaign has all of the majors
with a presence in a rim system that is low in population and habitability,
but high in strategic resources.
> For example, I think the OU is too big compared to the ESU, though
Another point, and I can hear the wails from their 'owners' already, I don't
see the minors being as 'sovereign' as we all accept them to be.
Besides the influences of big corps, many near-major powers in their own
right, I assume that the lesser powers feel mightily the influence of the
majors, running from simple, helpful suggestions as to fleet deployments to
outright puppet govs.
In this case, we might have the same map, but the colors would be shades of
a few dominant ones. "From a certain point of view," as an elder Obi-Wan
has said.
> Anyway, just an opinion, and I certainly don't want the change the
I certainly don't want to change the world. I'm always stunned by the effort
already put into this one; more stamina than I've got. However, if
anyone is crazy enough to try, I'd like to see a re-write to what you
and I see as more 'reasonable' numbers.
> From a separate thread experiencing increasing subject-relevance
Not to mention licensed, private prospectors and their suppliers; after the
discovery of other star civilizations, you can bet there will be folks looking
for artifacts, as well as the usual hope for valuable minerals missed in
previous surveys. Amazing number of former OU naval personnel sprinkled among
the crews, no?
However, that's a lot of volume for a struggling star nation to cover. I'm
putting my money on as many hidden 'break-aways and fledgling powers' as
mapped ones.
Maybe even actual or posing 'failed' colonies? Isn't that how a lot of
minors got started, though around not-so-useless stars?
The_Beast
> Oh, and, I even call the one-owner per system, or even planet, into
Alarish now claims a system, Cibola, with a habitable planet; however,
the planet itself is occupied by half a dozen (non-Alarishi) colonies
plus a UN station.
> >"the OU claims all the useless M type stars"
"Licensed"? <quick flip through translation program> In the AE, you can get
trained, independently inspected, audited, bonded, but I don't think you can
get licensed...You mean you're going to *pay* someone to tell you that you can
do something?
Chris wrote on 04/14/2006 11:45:18 AM:
***snippage of the appreciated supportive part***
> >> >"the OU claims all the useless M type stars"
Whoops, sorry I was confusing by including your part of the post; or, are you
saying OU couldn't have such a licensing structure? AE is an umbrella to OU? I
sure have missed much.
Or, I erred in assuming "Amazing number of former OU naval personnel sprinkled
among the crews, no?" would restrict of whom I was speaking. I should think
even former OU naval personnel would cover their past on the ships of other
nations. Especially, if they are doing the observational duties my part
implied.
As I've proven in the recent past, what I'm saying isn't always what I
intended to.
The_Beast
You said:
> >Not to mention licensed, private prospectors and their suppliers
And then:
> you saying OU couldn't have such a licensing structure?
OU could have a licensing structure but AE certainly does not. So when you say
that there could be "licensed private prospectors", just bear in mind that you
are at least as likely to run into unlicensed prospectors. Or at least people
who will claim, under some circumstances, to be prospectors.
> AE is an umbrella to OU? I sure have missed much.
:-) Nobody can prove that. And no one can prove that the OU is an
umbrella to the AE, either.
To be at least slightly serious, I would say that the AE could very well
be part of the ORC--if so, the AE ought to go on the Canon Map.
The other you wrote on 04/14/2006 12:46:27 PM:
> You said:
Fair enough, though it's easy enough to suggest they'd be claiming to be
licensed. There'd follow the question of how valid those documents are, of
course.
> >AE is an umbrella to OU? I sure have missed much.
As the ORC ships are under the Full Thrust section of the catalog, I'd
certainly agree the Outrim should be on the canon map, and you could point to
any spot and say 'that's the AE', but, as for putting the name on the map...
*ahem* *whistle*
The_Beast
> As the ORC ships are under the Full Thrust section of the catalog,
Well, we could petition St Jon to recognize the AE as an official part
of the ORC. Jon might go for that--he likes weird stuff. ;-)
Hey, the whole Free Cal-Tex thing is a bit over the top for me; I'm
definitely not asking for any official extensions. As you say, the man
comes up with enough weirdness on his own. ;->=
As for the official ORC's, given the look of the fighters, I'm considering
calling the capitals 'Fast Base Stars'. However, I'm not suggesting, and
don't think the saintly one is up for, mechano-races just yet.
I like the philosophy of 'filling of gaps is left an exercise for the reader'.
Though I assume this will fall even further with the next iteration of FT and
associated fleet
sections/books/suppliments/whatever.
On the other, other hand, when you're pitching, I ain't the one to be
standing in the way. ;->= ^ 2
The_Beast
Chris wrote on 04/14/2006 02:17:28 PM:
> >As the ORC ships are under the Full Thrust section of the catalog,
> laserlight@verizon.net wrote:
> Not to mention licensed, private prospectors and their suppliers
In certain parts of the AE, you can buy nearly anything. You want a license to
fulfill some deep psychological need, they'll make you one.
Of course other powers run what is impolitely called "protection rackets"
which actually do involve licenses. The OU sells insurance, as does SARCo.