FMA at EEC: was Re: [GZG] Re: GZG ECC X: Indy's AAR (parts 1 & 2)

Speaking of FMA at EEC.. do we have rules some of us can look at for it?
Something a little bit more refined then the Beta rules for like a decade
ago? ;-)

Jaime

On Tue, February 20, 2007 4:47 am, Indy said:
> Today I ran part two of my alternate timeline scenarios. Today it was

> On 2/20/07, Jaime Tiampo <fugugaipan@spikyfishthing.com> wrote:

Yes... if you're on the playtest list. *S*

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Gzg-l@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lI've said this
before, but it can be repeated;

Stop tweaking the rules to death and publish them. I have talked to people
that have told me they don't play GZG because it is dead as a publisher of
games. How many years has it been since GZG published anything new?

FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered GZG. IIRC
it may well have been 7 years.

Roger

> On 2/20/07, Allan Goodall <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:

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Gzg-l mailing list
Gzg-l@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lWell, SG2 has been
on the market since about '96 (give or take a year or two) and it mentions BDS
as forthcoming.

Fleet Book playtesting by listers starts around GZG ECC 2 ('99), and FMA
playtesting and FB2 playtesting with GZG ECC 3 ('00), IIRC. But FB2 is
something like 5-6 years old.

About 3 years ago I'd come to the unpopular conclusion that Jon needed to let
other people write FT3, DS3, SG3, FMA and BDS, then edit (or
revise to the point of co-authoring) so that they could be published
before 2010. Instead, they remain irons in the fire along with fantasy
variants and versions covering actions falling between SG2 and DS2 in size.

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From: gzg-l-bounces+tom.mccarthy=xwave.com@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
[mailto:gzg-l-bounces+tom.mccarthy=xwave.com@lists.csua.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Roger Books
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:44 AM
To: gzg-l@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: FMA at EEC: was Re: [GZG] Re: GZG ECC X: Indy's AAR (parts
1 & 2)

I've said this before, but it can be repeated;

Stop tweaking the rules to death and publish them. I have talked to people
that have told me they don't play GZG because it is dead as a publisher of
games. How many years has it been since GZG published anything new?

FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered GZG. IIRC
it may well have been 7 years.

Roger

> On 2/20/07, Allan Goodall <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:

> On 2/20/07, Jaime Tiampo <fugugaipan@spikyfishthing.com> wrote:

Yes... if you're on the playtest list. *S*

Allan

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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lJust my NSHO, but I
don't think a SG3 is necessary, just the BDS supplement. As far as I am
concerned the big gap is FMA. I'm running Snapshot for that scale.

Roger

> On 2/21/07, McCarthy, Tom (xwave) <Tom.McCarthy@xwave.com> wrote:

> About 3 years ago I’d come to theunpopular conclusion that Jon needed

The fantasy variants are home-brew stuff--they're not occupying Jon's
attention. DS3 is being done by Oerjan and John Lerchey (and maybe others).

FMA...yeah, it would probably be good to throw a free PDF on the site and fix
it later...

> On 2/21/07, Roger Books <roger.books@gmail.com> wrote:

What has been called "SG3" on here is actually called something else
by Jon. It will/could be a scale up from SG2, where you can do full
company to full battalion actions. There _is_ a need for that scale.

That having been said, yes, I would like to see FMAS released. It still
requires some work, but the basics are there. I specifically joined the
playtest list to test FMAS (at the time the only real version was FMC, a
fantasy variant).

On the other hand, I wrote the BDS rules for the Phalons. They've been
available online for about two years. I received three or four comments from
people who playtested them within about six months of them being pused, but
I've heard squat about them since. Now maybe the Phalons aren't to everyone's
cup of tea, but you'd think that if there was actually a huge demand for BDS
more people would have at least tried out those rules. I think when people say
they want "BDS" what they really want are Kra'Vak rules, which could easily be
released online as a PDF or something. *shrug* With such lacklustre
enthusiasm, I can see why Jon is focusing his attention elsewhere.

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Gzg-l@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lHigh time to get
something out the door. Heck if the first edition of FMA becomes the favorite
ruleset of munchkins everywhere then that means the sales of the second
edition will be higher!

I would gladly pay for a poor set of FMAS rules now and a good set later!

Bob Makowsky Medflight Ohio
EC-135 Pilot

----- Original Message ----
From: Roger Books <roger.books@gmail.com>
To: gzg-l@lists.csua.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:44:13 AM
Subject: Re: FMA at EEC: was Re: [GZG] Re: GZG ECC X: Indy's AAR (parts
1 & 2)

I've said this before, but it can be repeated;

Stop tweaking the rules to death and publish them. I have talked to people
that have told me they don't play GZG because it is dead as a publisher of
games. How many years has it been since GZG published anything new?

FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered GZG. IIRC
it may well have been 7 years.

Roger

On 2/20/07, Allan Goodall
> <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:

> ago? ;-)

Yes... if you're on the playtest list. *S*

Allan

> On 2/21/07, Allan Goodall <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:

pused? I meant "released", or maybe "posted".

> On Feb 21, 2007, at 6:26 AM, <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote:

> FMA...yeah, it would probably be good to throw a free PDF on the

Now that is a great idea....

> On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Roger Books wrote:

> FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered

There are times when I think a collaborative community approach will go a long
way towards making FMA and BDS appear before we're all dead.

It's not that hard really -- the open source world has shown that it
is possible to write much in a collaborative sense. Once the various sets
reach publication quality they are simply moved to one of those print on
demand places. GZG would, of course, have final say on the printable version.

When you get right down to it...who cares more about the rules? GZG
or Us?  In the end it's a win/win for everyone.

Damo

> On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Roger Books wrote:

> FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered

There are times when I think a collaborative community approach will go a long
way towards making FMA and BDS appear before we're all dead.

It's not that hard really -- the open source world has shown that it
is possible to write much in a collaborative sense. Once the various sets
reach publication quality they are simply moved to one of those print on
demand places. GZG would, of course, have final say on the printable version.

When you get right down to it...who cares more about the rules? GZG
or Us?  In the end it's a win/win for everyone.

Damo

2007/2/22, Damo <damosan@gmail.com>:
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Roger Books wrote:

You can get alot of collaborative work done with a wiki. If Jon points in the
general direction, others can do the heavy lifting.;)

> > FMA and BDS were being discussed over 5 years ago when I discovered

BDS was floated quite a bit further back but there hasn't been much actual
interest in it. IIRC I'm the only one who has proposed SV stats for StarGrunt;
Allan hasn't gotten a lot of comments (like, fewer than half a dozen) on the
Phalons. We could put out a KraVak supplement but that's not enough for a
book....and I've heard some people buy KV figs to use for something other than
KV.

However, there is activity under way on a couple of books. I'm expecting an
Official Announcement fairly soon.

On Feb 26, 2007, at 9:40 AM, <laserlight@verizon.net>
> <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote:

> However, there is activity under way on a couple of books. I'm

"Fairly soon" sounds ominous. Almost as if I should prepare for my 2011 to be
rocked!;)

Damo