Fleet reviews - IF, AE, FOR

Taking a quick look at some of the ship designs published on various web pages
lately, I have some comments.

First out is Laserlight's IF force:

IF DD Homs 27m 90pt Thrust 6 FTL No Weak hull Armor 3
[OOO]
[oo ]
[o* ]
[oo ]
[o* ]
1 FC
2 Beam 2 (F/FP/AP)
3 PDS

This ship has an Average hull, not a Weak one :-/

Second, the Alarishi:

AE Consort DD 37m 127pt Thrust 6 FTL Yes
[OOO]
[ooo]
[o* ]
[oo ]
[* ]
2 ADFC 8 PDS

Should only have 7 HULL BOXES: oo/o*/oo/*. With this change,
cost & mass are OK.

AE Jerez CA 88m 291pt

Thrust 6 FTL Yes
[OO ]
[ooooo*o]
[oooo*oo]
[ooo*oo ]
[ooo*o* ]
2 FC OOO
2 Torp (F/FP/AP) OO
3 Beam 2 (F/FP/AP) OOO
4 PDS OOOO

Is it 2 or 3 FCs? The damage markers and the total Mass suggest 3 :-/

AE Alacrity BC 101m 348pt

Thrust 8 FTL Yes
[ ]
[ooo*o]
[oo*oo]
[*oo*o]
[o*oo*]
2 FC
2 Beam 4 (F/FP/AP)
4 PDS

This seems to add up to only 100 Mass?

Finally the Free Orange Republic (is the author here? If not, Beth -
could you forward this to him? I won't be able to for a couple of weeks
:-/ )

Many comments here; the designs are all in.gif format so I can't include them,
but the web page is part of the FT Network. The FOR uses
heavy armour and screens (10% armour plus level-2 screens on its
heavies), relies on Pulse Torps *only* (1- or 2-arc mounts), and puts
ADFC on all units larger than 40 HS or thereabouts. No unit is faster
than thrust-4; most heavies are thrust-2. (Bulldog, here's where your
C4-armed popcorns would excel provided you buy them enough fighter
cover! :-)

Cheetah SC: Design OK, but cost is 9 i/o 7
Baboon SC: OK, but... don't breathe on it :-/
Springbok DDH: Should be TMF 44, NPV 152
East London CL: OK, but a bit odd with only 1 FC for 2 different-arc
PTs Cape Town C CE: OK, but 10 PDS and only 1 ADFC? It can only protect 1 ship
per turn <shrug> Dr Chester Crocker BC: Should be TMF 113, NPV 378
Transvall BB: OK, but name should probably be spelled Transvaal :-/
Pretoria DN: Should be TMF 169, NPV 582. The mass (143) and cost (492) given
do not include the fighter bay; in addition a Mass 143 ship with Average hull
should have 43 hull boxes instead of the current 142. Louis Botha DN: Should
be TMF 199, NPV 685. The mass and cost given do not include the fighter bay;
in addition the ship would be TMF 173, NPV 595 even if the bay was removed. FW
de Klerk SD: Design is OK, but costs 825 rather than 816. Paul Kruger CVE: OK,
but... it can't run, it can't hide, and breathing
on it will kill it :-/ (A Fragile-hulled Thrust-2 carrier with 3
fighter bays, 4 armour and naught else...) Gen. Hertzog CVE: Should be TMF 80,
NPV 293. Screens on a
Fragile-hulled ship? (F)-arc weapons on a Thrust-2 ship which shouldn't
ever go anywhere near the enemy (and if ever it does, it should be
accelerating *away* as fast as possible)? Well... it's not my money <shrug>
Kimberley CVL: Should be TMF 143, NPV 507.

Best wishes,

> Taking a quick look at some of the ship designs published

(Mental note: it should be "cut, paste, AND EDIT")

> Second, the Alarishi:

> Should only have 7 HULL BOXES: oo/o*/oo/*. With this

> AE Jerez CA 88m 291pt

Typos

> AE Alacrity BC 101m 348pt

Left out 1 Mass for the Enhanced Sensors (useful when your tactic is "plink
from a long way away, and make sure it
_stays_ a long way away")

I'll be adding more IF ships Real Soon Now, and I may be compelled to add a
PAU page unless anyone wishes to beat me to it?

G'day Oerjan,

> Finally the Free Orange Republic (is the author here? If not, Beth -

I'll pass them on to him tonight - he should be thrilled ;)
I am! I can claim he's walloped my arse with all those p-torps for the
last few weeks under false pretenses...;P

Thanks for the comments, there is a major arms race going on between some of
the guys down here at present, if I run into another ship with a zillion
p-torps/MT missiles/PDS I think I'm gonna cry! Then again I guess I am
gonna try out my e-mines on them next week... <evil laugh>

Cheers

Beth

> Before I went to England, I wrote:

> Finally the Free Orange Republic (is the author here? If not, Beth -

Beth, did he have any comments to my comments?

G'day Oerjan,

> Finally the Free Orange Republic (is the author here? If not, Beth -

He had a few "yeah I figured that was a mistake" kind of things (as far as I
remember), but seeings he's now on the list I guess I should let him speka for
himself...

Nik did you have any comments for Oerjan?

;)

Beth

P.S. Glad to see you back and with a healthy mailbox (I assume) Oerjan, I was
tempted to start a countdown to its explosion when we got talkative about the
UN and stuff, but I thought that might just exascerbate things
;)

> Beth wrote:

> G'day Oerjan,

<G>

> P.S. Glad to see you back and with a healthy mailbox (I assume)

Not a problem - only 1242 messages waiting (from two mailing lists, too
<g>). No, I haven't had time to wade through all the SV and the UNSC
SDN design posts yet :-/

> I was tempted to start a countdown to its explosion when we got

<G> Fortunately the other list kept fairly quiet <G>