Firecon and Missiles

10 posts · Apr 2 2005 to Apr 5 2005

From: DOCAgren@a...

Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:39:09 EST

Subject: Firecon and Missiles

U have to love Kids,

I was recently playing a gam with a friend and his sons.   Being "prime
target" I lost all but 1 Firecon on a Battledread..   So in Missile
phase I fired
off 1 from a launcher and bay that was not hit...   and went to fire
Beams at a seperate target, when the youngest child pointd out i had used my
only fire
con on missile...   and there for my Battledread couldn't fire at his
Light Cruiser who turned and faced his aft end to me...

We looked thur the rule book and couldn't find a rule that stated they need a
firecon, but the young child made agood case..

Is he right, or do we have a future RULES LAWYER on our hands?

Have a Good One, DOC Agren    (Lurker on the Digest)

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:58:14 -0500

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> I was recently playing a gam with a friend and his sons. Being

You have to have a functional firecon to launch any number of missiles, BUT
you can also use that firecon for direct fire weapons against another target
later on.

From: Charles Lee <xarcht@y...>

Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:50:36 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

Only Pulse torps need dedicated firecons. Missles only need a scan to send to
target.

DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:U have to love Kids,

I was recently playing a gam with a friend and his sons. Being "prime target"
I lost all but 1 Firecon on a Battledread.. So in Missile phase I fired off 1
from a launcher and bay that was not hit... and went to fire Beams at a
seperate target, when the youngest child pointd out i had used my only fire
con on missile... and there for my Battledread couldn't fire at his Light
Cruiser who turned and faced his aft end to
me...

We looked thur the rule book and couldn't find a rule that stated they need a
firecon, but the young child made agood case..

Is he right, or do we have a future RULES LAWYER on our hands?

Have a Good One, DOC Agren (Lurker on the Digest)

From: Nyrath the nearly wise <nyrath@c...>

Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:06:32 -0500

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:

From: DOCAgren@a...

Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:57:39 EDT

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

Thanks,

That was what i thought that they need firecon to "search for hostile" before
firing, but that same FC is available to Beams, but couldn't find it in rules
directly..

Have a Good One, DOC Agren    (Lurker on the Digest)

In a message dated 4/3/05 2:02:54 AM,
> owner-gzg-digest@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU writes:

> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:58:14 -0500
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:50:36 -0800 (PST)

From: DOCAgren@a...

Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:01:35 EDT

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

THey the kid made a good arguement based on the rules he "understood" And
without being abe to quickly find "contradicting" info.      But I guess
U are
right..   Better go out and by the kid, Star Fleet Battles system.. that
will either kill the budding RULES LAWYER, and Making him an expert at it.

Have a Good One, DOC Agren    (Lurker on the Digest)

Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:06:32 -0500
From: Nyrath the nearly wise <nyrathwiz@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:

  I say that the fact you are unsure enough to be asking the rules question
on this mailing list answers the "rules lawyer" question.

  But from the child's standpoint, it worked.

From: Warbeads@a...

Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:13:38 EDT

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

In a message dated 4/3/05 9:59:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
DOCAgren@aol.com writes:

<snip>

Only Pulse torps need dedicated firecons. Missles only need a scan to send to
target.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:45:31 -0400

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> Charles Lee wrote:

IIRC this restriction (pulse torps requiring dedicated firecons) was relaxed
after the FB books came out. I tried mining the GZG archives for specific
post, but too much stuff in there for the time I have available to dig.
:-/

Mk

> DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:20:31 -0400

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> Only Pulse torps need dedicated firecons. Missles only need a scan to

Indy said: IIRC this restriction (pulse torps requiring dedicated firecons)
was relaxed after the FB books came out.

Correct. This doesn't quite address the initial question, though.

Normally a firecon locked on Target A can't also direct fire at Target
B.
However, a firecon can be used for missile fire (at any target, or any number
of targets) *and* for direct fire against a different target in the same turn.
I expect this was just to keep people from having to track firecon use across
several phases.

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:19:18 +0100

Subject: Re: Firecon and Missiles

> > Only Pulse torps need dedicated firecons. Missles only need a scan

Yes, exactly. That's the correct ruling, AND the correct reason why we did it!