> Doug Evans wrote:
[On the Welsh Dragon]
> A re-enactor tried
<G> He had obviously read the wrong books!
> ***
Yes! Thanks! :-)
> I'm still nerved about trying to do small details on ships, but an 'y
Hm. I'm pretty sure I have some (very small) red dragon transfers around
somewhere - shield decals for 15 mm historical miniatures. Have to check
again once I unpack everything. (OK, so transfers have to go on a flat area.
I'm not up to painting any detail in any other place anyway <g>)
Later,
> David Brewer wrote:
> > the dragon is placed squarely over the division, so half of it is on
First and forth are gold with red lions, second and third red with gold.
All the sources I've seen have described it as the personal arms of the
(native) Princes of Wales rather than as the national arms, though.
Later,
> Oerjan Ohlson writes:
> All the sources I've seen have described it as the personal arms of
Well, er, I'm honestly not sure that there's such a thing as "national arms".
The arms of England are really the arms of the kings of England, ditto the
arms of Scotland. Nations have flags and badges and so on, but it is their
princes that bear arms.
> Thomas Anderson writes:
> a great many flags - the british for a start - do not follow the rules
What rule does the Union Flag break? The red and blue most certainly do not
touch. The (partial) St.Patrick's Cross is planted on top of the white St.
Andrew's Cross and there's a white border around the St.George's Cross which
could be mischeviously described as a cross of St.Denis (an old French
emblem).
> On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, David Brewer wrote:
the red st george cross is on top of the red st patrick's cross! i admit
that you could just define a new shape - the asterisk of st george and
st
patrick - and get away with it, but i was thinking of the two crosses as
seperate elements, whereas in heraldic terms they probably aren't. good call.
Tom
> On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jonathan White wrote:
my apologies. the listfuhrer is right - this was getting more and more
irrelevant and could have gone on for ever. me and thos barclay are vaguely
taking this on, and if we come up with anything useful we'll mention it as
discreetly as possible. mail one of us if you've anything to say or hear.
Tom