From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:10:52 +0100
Subject: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism
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From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:10:52 +0100
Subject: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism
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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:23:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism
Karl Heinz said: > What exactly do you mean by your question "What's up with all those That would mean "There seem to be a lot of Turks and Kurds in Germany, why is that?" I'd wondered that too--not so much "why does Germany have a lot of immigrants" but more "why does it appear that so many are Turkish" when they might just as well be from a mix of countries. On reflection, though, I'd think most of the Arabs would go to England, France or Italy (depending on their country of origin), most of the Balkan/Slavic people probably couldn't emigrate during the cold
From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:38:15 +1100
Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism
> That would mean "There seem to be a lot of Turks and Kurds in Germany, Some observations about my 6 years in Germany: When in the office, I said "Ich bin Gastarbeiter" at least half-serously, the more staid people contradicted me: "Gasterbeiter" = "Guest Worker" has the same connotations as, say Mexicanos working in the US. And I mean Mexicanos as opposed to Latinos. What I was trying to express to them was that there is no difference from a white, Australian Engineer who knew at least as much as they did, and a semi-literate Turk or Khurd who cleaned out the room. We were both non-Germans living in a foreign land, Guests if you will, there to earn a living and send it home, and expected to behave in a civilised manner and obey the local laws. Apart from a very small loony rightist fringe - who gather a lot of publicity for a very few very terrible acts like firebombing migrant hostels - there's not a lot of racism in Germany now. There's more Loony Green/leftists who are so PC (Politically Correct) that they'd allow anyone non-German to get away with murder simply because any sanction would be "racist". OTOH there's more low-level racism both in Australia and Germany than I'd like. Over 50% of the blacks that I met in Germany where a) Nigerian and b) Drug Dealers. They made it really hard for the rest of the Black population, who seemed to be "just folks", like any cultural splinter group you'd find in Australia. Then again, maybe it was because I had to travel by tram (strassenbahn, streetcar in USAian) to get to work, and it passed through the drug quarter. And because they spoke mainly English, I could understand what they said. Unlike my impression of US and Australian drug dealers, they weren't the violent type. So much so that I gave one kid, a teenager who was just learning the ropes, a good dressing-down after some plainclothes cops had just left after searching him. Something along the lines of "I could have been a Narc who understands English, and you could now be facing 10 years in a German Jail. You're being STUPID if you continue with this racket. The guy next to you is exploiting you. You WILL be caught. Aren't you ashamed of the reputation you're giving all Blacks here in Germany? I bet many of the other passengers understood what you were saying." Doubt that it did any good. And I'm not stupid enough to try the same thing in LA, or Cabramatta for that - er- matter. Nigerians were given a really, really hard time by Customs (Zoll) in Germany. It was assumed that they were carrying drugs. All too often, the Customs agents found something. But all too often, innocent travellers got the 3rd degree. Africans from other nations were treated quite differently. Maybe this was just
From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:45:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism
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