Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism

4 posts ยท Mar 16 2002 to Mar 17 2002

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:10:52 +0100

Subject: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:23:30 -0500

Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism

Karl Heinz said:
> What exactly do you mean by your question "What's up with all those

That would mean "There seem to be a lot of Turks and Kurds in Germany,
why is that?"  I'd wondered that too--not so much "why does Germany
have a lot of immigrants" but more "why does it appear that so many are
Turkish" when they might just as well be from a mix of countries. On
reflection, though, I'd think most of the Arabs would go to England, France or
Italy (depending on their country of origin), most
of the Balkan/Slavic people probably couldn't emigrate during the cold

From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:38:15 +1100

Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism

> That would mean "There seem to be a lot of Turks and Kurds in Germany,

Some observations about my 6 years in Germany:

When in the office, I said "Ich bin Gastarbeiter" at least
half-serously,
the more staid people contradicted me: "Gasterbeiter" = "Guest Worker" has the
same connotations as, say Mexicanos working in the US. And I mean Mexicanos as
opposed to Latinos. What I was trying to express to them was that there is no
difference from a white, Australian Engineer
who knew at least as much as they did, and a semi-literate Turk or Khurd
who cleaned out the room. We were both non-Germans living in a foreign
land, Guests if you will, there to earn a living and send it home, and
expected to behave in a civilised manner and obey the local laws.
Apart from a very small loony rightist fringe - who gather a lot of
publicity
for a very few very terrible acts like firebombing migrant hostels -
there's
not a lot of racism in Germany now. There's more Loony Green/leftists
who are
so PC (Politically Correct) that they'd allow anyone non-German to get
away with murder simply because any sanction would be "racist".
OTOH there's more low-level racism both in Australia and Germany than
I'd like.

Over 50% of the blacks that I met in Germany where a) Nigerian and b) Drug
Dealers. They made it really hard for the rest of the Black population, who
seemed to be "just folks", like any cultural splinter group you'd find in
Australia. Then again, maybe it was because I had to travel by tram
(strassenbahn, streetcar in USAian) to get to work, and it passed through the
drug quarter. And because they spoke mainly English, I could understand what
they said. Unlike my impression of US and Australian drug dealers, they
weren't the violent type. So much so that I gave one kid, a teenager who was
just learning
the ropes, a good dressing-down after some plainclothes cops had just
left after searching him. Something along the lines of "I could have been a
Narc who understands English, and you could now be facing 10 years in a German
Jail. You're being STUPID if you continue with this racket. The guy next to
you is exploiting you. You WILL be caught. Aren't you ashamed of the
reputation you're giving all Blacks here in Germany? I bet many of the other
passengers understood what you were saying." Doubt that it did any good. And
I'm not stupid enough to try the same thing in LA,
or Cabramatta for that - er- matter.
Nigerians were given a really, really hard time by Customs (Zoll) in Germany.
It was assumed that they were carrying drugs. All too often, the Customs
agents found something. But all too often, innocent travellers got the 3rd
degree. Africans from other nations were treated quite differently. Maybe this
was just

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:45:50 +0100

Subject: Re: Euro-Immigrants was: Anti-Americanism

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