ESU Penal Units

11 posts ยท Aug 19 2002 to Aug 20 2002

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:50:23 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: ESU Penal Units

OK, I'm working on the organization for these, but here's some house rules to
cover the general idea.

FWIW, there's 3 Penal Companies with small-arms only,
a Guards Company heavy on SAWs and Auto-GLs, and a
small HQ element. The Guards are broken down to 1 squad per penal platoon.

Penal Squads act as Green troops for all purposes except morale and reaction,
when they are treated as regular. Guards squads may fire on a Penal squad and
it is treated as a rally attempt. If it causes no effects, then it is treated
as a rally attempt by a LV 3. Supression causes a rally attempt as by a LV 2.
If a casualty is caused, then it is as a LV 1 leader. All Supressions on that
squad are removed if rally is sucessful. Penal squads that are broken or
routed and out of line of sight of all Guards units will always surrender if
the squad is within effective range of an enemy unit.

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:09:34 -0500

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

***
Penal squads that are broken or routed and out of line of sight of all Guards
units will always surrender if the squad is within effective range of an enemy
unit.
***

Being unfamiliar with particulars of SGII, I was curious how difficult it
would be to allow a slight chance to NOT surrender? While I have some doubts
of the likelihood of such squads used at all, I'm still intrigued, and imagine
a small percentage might find an unexpected wellspring of love for the
motherland.

A further complication would be that I'd expect a 'Guards-imposed' rally
attempt would cancel such patriotism, given the bitter memory of 'friendly
fire', but even I see that as TOO fiddly.

From: John Sowerby <sowerbyj@f...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:14:01 -0400

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> Being unfamiliar with particulars of SGII, I was curious how difficult

If you read the book 'Stalingrad' you'll find that such a thing was very

common, particularly on the Russian side.

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:42:18 -0500

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> While I have some doubts of the likelihood of such squads used at all,

Sorry, all, I meant doubts concerning such squads being used
trans-stellar-ly in FH. Huge YMMV, of course.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:34 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> --- devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

Well, it depends on the cost of space transport.

You also have to figure that the only ones getting transported would be the
guard companies. Penal
companies would be formed on-scene, and mostly not
survive to get shipped home.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:16:46 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> --- devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

> Being unfamiliar with particulars of SGII, I was

Not at all. Figure the odds and do a dice roll to reflect that. Personally,
I'd roll percentile dice. If it came up 00, then they won't surrender. They'll
just flee.

> While I have some

Personally, I find it unlikely.

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:40:04 +0200

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

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From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:00:13 +0100

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 02:42:18PM -0500, devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

The weakness of the ESU system is that it requires a significant and
continuing influx of convicts to form spearhead units. The strength of
the ESU system is that it is able to provide such an influx. The Lenov/S
(aka Zinoviev) scoutboat is a case in point; the six men of the crew are given
a vessel capable of interstellar travel, after all. Surely, if they did not
love the Rodina, they would use it to flee elsewhere?
(The rumours of remote-controlled scuttling charges are treasonous.)

From: John Leary <john_t_leary@y...>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:09:07 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:
The Lenov/S
> (aka Zinoviev) scoutboat is a case in point; the six

Interstel News Agency: New Pasadena. FCT Ambassidor today confirmed an FCT
fleet command
today issed a denial that 23 ESU scouts/corvettes/
frigates have been given refuge in FCT apace. It is a pure coincidence that an
independant citizen of the FCT published methods of disarming the
non-existand loyalty charges on the ships.   The
FCT government is currently persuing legal measures to remove the information
from the public domain. The court case is due to be heard late next year.
Sources and references: Transmit as recieved binary data follows: (source data
edited for brevity) Transmission Ends

Bye for now,

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:46:35 -0400

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> At 12:09 PM -0700 8/20/02, John Leary wrote:

Representatives of the Department of English from the University of Oxford on
New Anglia commented today that, quote, "...Spokespersons
for the Government of the Free Cal-Tex still find it difficult to
compose press releases that conform to known standards of English".

*ducking*

From: John D. Hamill <finnmaccool@e...>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:38:21 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: ESU Penal Units

> --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

Consarn it, ya English varmints, they ain't speakin' English, they's speakin'
Texan! Or that true abomination Californese! (VBEG)