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An excellent precursor for the ESU might be the current SCO The Shanghai
Cooperation Organization
> On 22/11/2011 5:00 PM, <gzg-d-request@firedrake.org> wrote:
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> And I mis-read 'Eurasion Economic Space' as a precursor for the S in
Either
> there's nuance about that word in Russian that isn't obvious to
Hmmm...
> Phil
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> *shrug* I just assumed it was a bad translation for what we would call
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> > there's nuance about that word in Russian that isn't obvious to
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> Never mind. TOTALLY mis-remembered Co-Prosperity Sphere...
Obviously, many possible precursors, and all possibly part of a mix.
I'm embarrassed how much of this is news to me.
Doug
Bob Blanchett <bob.blanchett@gmail.com> wrote on 11/22/2011 05:22:41 AM:
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Either
> > there's nuance about that word in Russian that isn't obvious to
Hmmm...
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> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 07:10:38AM -0600, Doug Evans wrote:
As far as I can tell there are basically two classes of cooperation:
"(Russia|China) is your friend now! Please join our cooperation
organisation. It's not at all lopsided or involuntary."
"Oh crap, let's cooperate so that we have _some_ chance against
(Russia|China)."
R
Okay, but a little less tongue-in-cheek, I gather the EAU is promoted as
economic unity, and SCO as security?
And, no, I'm not claiming the two aren't inextricably entangled...
Just pointing out the emphasis of the announcements.
And, a great many would claim '_some_ chance against the West.'
Doug
Roger Burton West wrote on 11/22/2011 07:13:46 AM:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 07:10:38AM -0600, Doug Evans wrote:
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Doug sayeth: And, a great many would claim '_some_ chance against the
West.'
Um... which West? The majority of the west is functionally bankrupt. The
difference between 'I'm printing money like mad' and 'I'm bankrupt' is just
owning a printing press. In the EU, Germany is lugging around everybody and
their economy is slowing because of it plus resentment is building. Italy,
Greece, and a few others may yet actually finally admit default. Their
populations may not stomach necessary austerity. The Eurozone may yet
fragment.
The US? Their financial woes are a decade from over. And when they are over,
they won't be what they once were (much like Britain, retiring a lot of
military in the hopes France will protect them or something of that sort). So
their force projection capability, while still formidable, will probably be
considerably less because the economic engine isn't there to drive it.
So which West is China/Russia/anyone afraid of going forward?
Russia is going to end up the Junior Partner (I have another word for it, but
it's an unpleasant one) in any relationship with China. China's long term
economic and intellectual potential is quite staggering.
Looking forward, might be a good idea to get your kids into Mandarin or
Cantonese emersion classes.... or maybe the grandkids....
T.
The local Confucius Institute has classes on the floor just below where I
work. ;->=
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Interesting that the European economic collapse could see the formation of
blocks like the FT background.
Germany could get sick of bailing out the other European countries and I can't
imagine Fracen accepting a financial obergroupenfurher from Berlin to advise
them on hwo to run their economy. Too much gallic pride in the way.
So you could see a split of Europe along a germanic line germany, lithuania,
estonia Latvia, Austria etc and the romance countries on the other side, led
by France Italy and Spain.. other European powers would then have to decide
which block to join (or to whom they owed the most money).
At this point the UK might look to go back to it's commonwealth countries as
sources of supply and leverage it's special relationship with the US into a
new Anglo US alliance.
Then what do all the Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe do? Suddenly faced with
a revitalised Germany, free of Euro debt and a ring of Germanic peoples along
the baltic do the Slavs join as second class citizens or try and form their
own group to counter the power of the Germanic uber state. Now enter someone
that claims to be of Romanov descent possibly Vladimir Putin?? and they could
have a regional power that incorporates western russia, Ukraine Belroussia and
Poland.
China could then gobble up Eastern Russia and Siberia as it's northern
resource area and incorporate it into it's greater east asia propserity
sphere.