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> --- Ian Murphy <Borgoth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Interesting set of assumptions.

Obvious "Canon" violations: Swiss being part of NSL, India being part of NAC.
South Africa remaining independant.

There's a lot of other judgement calls that I'd disagree with, especially in
the Balkans and in Africa.

> Obvious "Canon" violations: Swiss being part of NSL,

> India being part of NAC.
Should be ESU

> South Africa remaining

I'd assumed it was a major part of PAU.

For some reason it's gone blank and won't reload, but you'll want to make sure
you've got ScanFed, Romanov Hegemony, and I think Holland should be
independent too. I didn't get a good look at the dividing line between PAU and
IF but you pretty much have to have Nigeria as
part of PAU--even though it's increasingly Muslim, it is also one of
the nations with the largest population in Africa.

But that's why they are called judgment calls. <Grin> And the generic nature
of the system allows for historical (and ahistorical) "corrections"! <VBG>

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On Sun, 26 May 2002 15:51:51 -0700 (PDT) John Atkinson
> <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> writes:

> --- Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net> wrote:

> I'd assumed it was a major part of PAU.

I'd assumed it had to be, otherwise there wouldn't be much reason for a new
Voortrek to that other planet mentioned in the SGII timeline.

> For some reason it's gone blank and won't reload,

Netherlands are independant, and you're right, the map didn't include Romanov
Hegemony.

> --- Ian Murphy <Borgoth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Taking a look at it again, I'd pretty much agree with the dividing line in
Africa, EXCEPT for Eritrea. PAU, not IFed.

I note that in the key you have a color for RH, but it's the same color as the
ESU which doesn't work out well as they are neighbors.

The Finns are ScanFed. They'd evacute the country before letting the
Communists in. They also would not be big fans of the Romanovs.

Scandanavian Federation color is apparently the same as FSE color?

Greece is known to be part of FSE.

I find Armenia or Georgia joining the IFed to be pretty unlikely. More likely
conquered by ESU.

In the Balkans, I'd only have the NSL holding Slovenia and Croatia. Maybe
Hungary as well (historical relationship with the Austrians). However, the
Orthodox states (Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Roumania Moldavia) should be RH
IMU. Albania is probably going to be FSE by default (historical relationship
with Italy, plus no one else wants it). If the Euros are smart they nuked
Bosnia flat, but IMU I think it's RH (The Bosniac Muslims finally got thrown
out and the refugees fled to IFed or something).

Have lumped all of the responses into 1 e-mail. Hope this covers it all
have tried to credit everyone.

> > Obvious "Canon" violations: Swiss being part of NSL,

Was independant colours were to close together to tell. Have changed this

> > India being part of NAC.

Sorted. Not sure about this, I was under the impression that the NAC still had
access to the Gurkhas, i.e Nepal(I do have that right dont I?) I hadnt seen
any references to India in any info I had so I gave the NAC some access to
Nepal.

> > South Africa remaining

Tried to use the GZG pedia for this as mucha as possible. Orange free state is
listed there So I used it, I havent got SG so wasnt sure if it was cannon or
not. Will leave it in for now if enought people dont like it will take it out.

Nigeria as
> part of PAU

Already is

> From Laserlight

> Netherlands are independant, and you're right, the map

It did just the colours were again to close. Have changed this

> From John Atkinson

> Taking a look at it again, I'd pretty much agree with

Changed it

> The Finns are ScanFed. They'd evacute the country

Agreed and changed. Shouldnt have missed that one

> I find Armenia or Georgia joining the IFed to be

Changed

> In the Balkans, I'd only have the NSL holding Slovenia

Wasnt sure how to divide these. Will bow to your superior knowledge of the
area.

I think I have covered everything. Will play with the colours and try and

Ian Murphy schrieb:
> >From John Atkinson

I don't see the reasoning behind this. I don't think it's mentioned in a canon
source? AFAIK, the Eritreans are Muslims, as are Somalis etc, though, so far,
of a fairly laid-back direction. BTW, couldn't you argue that the Horn
of Africa (Somalia, Djibouti etc.) might be IF, too?
Certainly, their main present-day enemy is Ethiopia, which is PAU. Why
should they join up with them?

Greetings

From: Ian Murphy Borgoth@blueyonder.co.uk

> > India being part of NAC.

> Sorted. Not sure about this, I was under the impression that the NAC

There is specific mention in canon that ESU has India--there was a
massacre of Sikhs by Hindus, or Hindus by Muslims, or something--don't
have the books here. NAC does apparently have access to Gurkhas, could be a
special deal with Nepal, could be they're from a planet settled by a Gurkha
colony...in any event, Nepal isn't India.

> At 9:30 AM -0400 5/28/02, laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:

Likely the ESU, decided just not to try what couldn't be done years ago. All
of those families with grandfathers, fathers, uncles, brothers and sons that
were Gurkhas wouldn't roll over and die for the Euries. Likely they could have
tried it and found that kind of motivation in a lot of guerillas just isn't
something to deal with lightly or cheaply.

> --- KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de wrote:

> AFAIK, the Eritreans are Muslims, as are Somalis

Somalia, probably. It's currently got large active
cells of Al-Quaeda operative.  Djibouti, definitely.

> Certainly, their main present-day enemy is Ethiopia,

Their issues with Ethiopia today are minor and consist of a couple miles worth
of disagreement.

Eritrea has a multi-ethnic and multi-religious
population. They are about 50% Muslims, about 40% Christians, and a handful of
animists. They are far more united by being Eritrean than divided by religious
issues.

Which doesn't fit into a flaming-nutcase Muslim
Islamic Federation.

In order to get even a tiny fraction of the tribes of Africa to get together
long enough to agree on what language to write the Union Declaration in
(probably French), the PAU would have to settle pointless idiot tribal
disagreements like an issue of 25km one way or
another of semi-arid near-wasteland.  Either that, or
there'd have to be some overwhelming threat.

G'day,

> In order to get even a tiny fraction of the tribes of

John there is already an African Union. I'm not sure whether it has all the
African nations in it, but if I remember correctly it has a lot of them
(majority I think). I think it was primarily created as a trade thing, though
there has been some mention of an eventual evolution along the lines of the
EU... which does fit with the GZGverse a bit I guess (sorry don't know more
and no time to check).

Cheers

> --- Ian Murphy <Borgoth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorted. Not sure about this, I was under the

It is canonical that NAC has Ghurka brigades (!). Offhand, I'm guessing that
Nepal is probably in the same status Japan is.

> > > South Africa remaining

Orange Free State is somewhere on another planet.

> Wasnt sure how to divide these. Will bow to your

Superior knowledge, heh? Just a little more egotism. Actually predicting what
the Balkans are going to look like 100 years, you may as well throw darts and
draw lines between them as borders.

> --- Beth.Fulton@csiro.au wrote:

Israel and most of Jordan, and maybe bits of S. Lebanon and Syria should

be radioactive/biocontamination green. None of Israel itself is IF. It's

either wasteland or slowly being reclaimed by the New Israelis. In my version
of the history I have a corridor of reclamation between Tel Aviv

and Jerusalem by the late 23nd century. It will probably be too small to

see on your map.

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