[DSII] [Tech] Battlefield Awareness (Was: [GZG] [HIST] Military Hackers)

4 posts ยท Oct 28 1998 to Oct 29 1998

From: jfoster@k... (Jim 'Jiji' Foster)

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:50:24 -0700

Subject: [DSII] [Tech] Battlefield Awareness (Was: [GZG] [HIST] Military Hackers)

> Or you can ignore hidden units and jamming entirely because all =

Actually (to bring up Clancy again) in Executive Orders, he wrote about
something called the IVIS which apparently could track via GPS all the
vehicles equipped with the system, allowing something very like a
wargame-level of situational awareness. In fact, there was a rather
interesting bit of exposition in which the commander of the US forces realizes
that he's got the ability to see and micromanage better than any commander in
history... but that this is the one thing he must not do.

Admittedly, this system was being used against a lower-tech force
(combined Iran/Iraq armored divisions.) I'd imagine it'd work much less
effectively on a DSII-era battlefield where a) both sides would have
this technology and b) there'd be ECM/ECCM to spoof/jam the system.

Any of you with military experience know anything about IVIS? Is it for real,
or just Clancytech?

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From: Los <los@c...>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:25:31 -0800

Subject: Re: [DSII] [Tech] Battlefield Awareness (Was: [GZG] [HIST] Military Hackers)

> >Or you can ignore hidden units and jamming entirely because all =

I disagree with this approach. Just like physics, almost every military
development eventually illicits an equally potent counter-development.
There are already advancements in place and underway to help hide equipment
and personnel (that I can't go into). I believe in the future we will see
advacned countermeasures more or less keeping pace with surveillance and
target acquisition.

Advanced chameleon-like adaptive camouflage, IR and heat dampening,
stealth materials and designs, so on and so forth. Combine that with effective
communications and acquisition, signal jamming, meaconing and other
"operational" techniques,and we'll still have cat and mouse to some extent.
(Given equal tech level forces).

Humans have this annoying habit. They like to survive. So that drives them to
find out new ways to remain so.

From: Adrian Johnson <ajohnson@i...>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:39:43 -0500

Subject: Re: [DSII] [Tech] Battlefield Awareness (Was: [GZG] [HIST] Military Hackers)

> Any of you with military experience know anything about IVIS? Is it for

According to Clancy's non-fiction book "Armored Cav" the IVIS system is
not only real, but being deployed in the newest production M1A2 Abrams MBT,
and is being fitted to Bradley IFV's, etc.

I've read about the introduction of this system in other places too, but don't
remember where...

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:22:34 -0800

Subject: Re: [DSII] [Tech] Battlefield Awareness (Was: [GZG] [HIST] Military Hackers)

> Adrian Johnson wrote:

> I've read about the introduction of this system in other places too,

There were some articles about it in the AUSA magazine. Apparently it works
well, to the point that no one can really get lost, and communication is even
better. Of course, it's also leading to some serious micromanagement problems
as well.