DS does have rules for air dropped deployment. For vehicles this is limited to
size 1 & 2, IIRC.
"Imre A. Szabo" <ias@sprintmail.com> on 09/13/2000 03:28:10 PM
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Subject: DSII: Parachute deployed vehicles...
In this months issue Armed Forces Journal, there is an artical about a company
developing a system for parachute deployment of vehicles with the crews on
board. They have currently conduct over two dozen tests with 4 wheel ATV's and
would like to test deploying HUMMV's... The U.S. military isn't currently
interested, but the Eqyptians are somewhat intersted. The ATV manufactures
freek out when they here about thier ATV's being driven out the back of an
airplane 25,000 ft. in the air... The deployment system uses a ram parachute,
so they can manuever in the air.
This could make for neat new scenarios and tactics for DSII. For assault
purposes, you would only need dropships for big stuff, size 5 and probably
size 4. Size 3 and smaller could be parachuted in with the crews on board... I
wonder how much trouble a half dozen NAC Paladins, Hoplites, Hunters, and
Defenders could stir up if I parachuted them in behind enemy lines...
IAS
In this months issue Armed Forces Journal, there is an artical about a company
developing a system for parachute deployment of vehicles with the crews on
board. They have currently conduct over two dozen tests with 4 wheel ATV's and
would like to test deploying HUMMV's... The U.S. military isn't currently
interested, but the Eqyptians are somewhat intersted. The ATV manufactures
freek out when they here about thier ATV's being driven out the back of an
airplane 25,000 ft. in the air... The deployment system uses a ram parachute,
so they can manuever in the air.
This could make for neat new scenarios and tactics for DSII. For assault
purposes, you would only need dropships for big stuff, size 5 and probably
size 4. Size 3 and smaller could be parachuted in with the crews on board... I
wonder how much trouble a half dozen NAC Paladins, Hoplites, Hunters, and
Defenders could stir up if I parachuted them in behind enemy lines...
> DS does have rules for air dropped deployment. For vehicles this is
Plus, for that matter, if you wanted to go with Battletech style games,
there's nothing stopping you from just plain deciding that you can drop just
about anything with legs from orbit as long as you have a "drop capsule" of
some sort around it to soften the landing.
[quoted original message omitted]
The problem with softening the landing isn't softening the landing for the
vehicle. It is softening the landing for the men in the vehicle...
IAS
> stiltman@teleport.com wrote:
> > DS does have rules for air dropped deployment. For vehicles this is
> At 15:28 2000-09-13 -0700, you wrote:
> limited
I will have to pull out the source material, but I thought that the drop
capsule provided protection against atmospheric abrasion (i.e. the heat of
reentry) and the Mech's had to have Jump Jets or a disposable "jump pack" to
slow descent once in the lower atmosphere.
I like the current DS2 system: Orbital Drop: Power Armor and size 1 Mechs
Atmospheric Drop: All Infantry and size 1 & 2 vehicles. Assault Lander:
Depends on the size of the Assault Lander I suggested limiting the size of
Assault Landers to no larger than size 5. Drop Ships: Anything. But I would
suggest that it needs a Landing Field (reason for small unit action).
Dropships would either use oversize vehicle rules or be outside the
construction rules.
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> The problem with softening the landing isn't softening the landing for
or... "It's not the drop that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the
end..."
J.
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> [quoted text omitted]
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0400
From: Brian Bell <bkb@beol.net>
Subject: Re: DSII: Parachute deployed vehicles...
> At 15:28 2000-09-13 -0700, you wrote:
> there's nothing stopping you from just plain deciding that you can drop
> just about anything with legs from orbit as long as you have a "drop
I will have to pull out the source material, but I thought that the drop
capsule provided protection against atmospheric abrasion (i.e. the heat of
reentry) and the Mech's had to have Jump Jets or a disposable "jump pack" to
slow descent once in the lower atmosphere.
<<<<<<<<<<
a good (visual) example of what brian points out is the Roughneck Chronicles
GCI show.
the drop capsule protects against atmospheric re-entry, and their jet
packs cut their velocity so landing won't break their legs.
therefore, i also like the current DS2 system. no fuss with extra rules for
drop pods, but PA and size 1 mechs get the inherent capability with their
cost.
dave
> Brian Bell - IIRC - wrote:
> DS does have rules for air dropped deployment. For vehicles this is
Lately I've seen several people refer to size-2 vehicles being
air-droppable in DSII... p.43 says that "Only infantry and Very Light
(class 1) vehicles and equipment may be paradropped,..." which clearly
disallows airdropping size-2s, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's
some other reference elsewhere which does allow dropping size-2s as
well.
Is there such a reference elsewhere, and if so where? <g>
Later,
I will look again. You are correct about what it says on p.43. I was working
from (faulty) memory.
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Brian Bell bkb@beol.net
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> -----Original Message-----
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:51:20 -0400 "Imre A. Szabo" <ias@sprintmail.com>
writes:
> The problem with softening the landing isn't softening the landing for
If not properly cushioned/protected the attackers will be REAL soft
after landing.
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) stiltman@teleport.com writes:
another valid use of the 'Tin Samurai"
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:47:40 +0200 "Oerjan Ohlson"
> <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> writes:
In a word - No. At least not that I have found. And I want to find
such a rule BADLY.
> Later,
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:51:19 -0500 "Stuart Ford" <smford@execpc.com>
writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
Well, knowing the Russian military, that's the PLAN...
Page 43, second column, second paragraph.
Air - Size 1 vehicles.
Space - Infantry Walkers.
Gracias, Triphibious/Glenn
Triphibious Marines = Nektons. Not all Frogs are French, or even Human!
Nektons, be all the Marine you can be! Resistance is EVERYTHING!
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:17:23 -0700 Aron_Clark@digidesign.com writes:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:28:10 -0400 "Imre A. Szabo" <ias@sprintmail.com>
writes:
> In this months issue Armed Forces Journal, there is an artical about a
I have worked a lot trying to find useful size 1 'drop vehicles' (air, not
space) for use in a campaign where there are two or three significant
nationalities/armies with air borne Brigades (imagine a 'virgin' earth
type planet where the Soviets, Americans, Chinese, and Indians 'equivalents'
have continental colonies...) and basically came down with
only about 4 'good' designs - HMW ATM (GMS/H and 'free' APSW), Fast
track
APC (1 FT, 2xAPSW,) Fast Track AGV Fixed DFFG/2 and 'free' APSW, and
Fast
GEV LRV ('Spot and Scoot') PDS/Sup, 2xAPSW - for low/mid tech forces.
High tech can add Fast GEV/GRAV LAV Turreted HEL-1with 'free' APSW and
Fast Track LGV (turret: primary MDC/1, secondary MDC/1, 'free' APSW )
but there is a limit with the small size and only one 'paid' weapon on board.
Opening up "Drop Troop" type size 2 vehicles opens up a LOT of variations but
definitely requires a house rule to allow an otherwise prohibited practice:
Page 43, second column, all of paragraph 2. While I initially LIKE the idea I
think for now I'll keep things as per the rules. AND I think I'd limit it to
size class 2, not 3.
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0400 Brian Bell <bkb@beol.net> writes:
Where does it say size 2? I'd love that. The only non-walker vehicles
addressed at all on page 43, under Drop Troops is size 1. I have the
book in front of me. Size 2+ requires an interface lander or dropship.
> Assault Lander: Depends on the size of the Assault Lander
Yes, quite!
> Drop Ships: Anything. But I would suggest that it needs
The killer (pun intended) is Interface Landers (I.L.) unload the turn they
land, and dropships land and unload in the following activation. MAK arty
during the next activation anyone?