[DS2,SG2] Future Tank

12 posts · Feb 11 1999 to Feb 12 1999

From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:08:57 -0500

Subject: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

Greetings, I found this article about Britain's proposed tank design. It has
plastic armor, adaptive coloring, stealth, a guass cannon, runs on bateries,
and has defensive screens!

- Bri

-------- Article ----------
London Sunday Times February 7, 1999 Plastic Tank Is Silent Killer Of
Battlefield Assault by battery: Britain's conventional tank forces could be
replaced

with plastic vehicles built around stealth technology. by Hugh McManners,
Defence Correspondent
Prepare for the "Duracell" tank. The traditional heavy-armoured British
model may be replaced with a plastic battery-powered vehicle protected
by a magnetic force field that could detonate incoming missiles before they
hit.
The vehicle, nicknamed the Duracell tank because of its long-lasting
batteries, would revolutionise the army's land battle strategy. It would

eventually replace the present generation of Challenger tanks, which cost over
£2m each. They are increasingly seen as a liability because their bulk,
exhaust emissions and noisy engines make them an easy target for missiles
fired from anti-tank helicopters.
A senior spokesman for one defence company involved in the project said the
new tank was being designed to dominate battlefields without even being seen.
"It will have to be able to destroy helicopters before they even detect it,"
he said. The tank can remain hidden from aerial attack due to a polymer
coating that changes colour to match its surroundings. Codenamed the Modifier,
it is being designed by Vickers, the British company specialising in armoured
fighting vehicles. Defence experts have been told
the vehicles could carry a two-man crew or operate under remote control.

They will probably cost several million pounds each. The first deployment
would not be for at least 15 years. Nigel Vinson, an expert in tank warfare
from the Royal United Services Institute, a Whitehall military think tank
close to the Ministry of Defence, said strategists had long recognised that
the days of massed tank battles were over.
"We saw in the Gulf how precision weapons like anti-tank missiles can be

used with deadly effect," he said. "Big traditional tanks stand little chance
against helicopter gunships. In any case, the wars of the future will be won
by destroying computer centres and communications systems, rather

than through huge battles." Such considerations mean that the Modifier is
being designed entirely around stealth technology. The polymer coating will
cover a toughened plastic body that should be undetectable on most radars. The
electric motors run almost silently.Even if the tank is detected, it should
prove hard to destroy. Any missile would first have to overcome an
electromagnetic force field. Its

powerful pulses would disable enemy electronics and detonate missiles well
before impact. If a missile did penetrate, it would have to overcome the
tank's armour
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made of layers of toughened plastics capable of resisting high explosives
and the modern ultra-high-velocity shells.
A defence industry source said such technology was still in an experimental
stage but looked promising. The tank's armament would also be formidable,
including missiles and a large gun. This would fire conventional explosive
shells, but accelerate them to
even higher velocities with an electromagnetic pulse - enhancing
accuracy and increasing the range. Tanks have a long history, going back to
the armoured battering rams built by the Romans to demolish the fortified
gates of enemy cities. In Britain the first recorded use of armoured vehicles
was by Boadicea, who used chariots to try to drive out the Romans. The first
deployment of the modern mechanised tank came in the first world war during
the battle of the Somme in 1916. The tanks broke through the German lines with
such ease that the British were too surprised to take advantage, allowing the
Germans to recover the lost ground. It was, however, the Germans who first
realised their full potential when they used tanks as an integral part of
their second world war invasions of
Poland, Belgium and France with fast-moving columns of armoured
vehicles.
The Germans also made the largest tank in history. Called the Maus -
German
for mouse - it weighed 189 tons, more than three times the weight of a
modern Challenger. The Modifier will, by contrast, weigh a mere 20 tons.

Much of that reduction will be achieved by replacing the huge conventional
engine with electric motors and using the light plastic armour. Its batteries
will be recharged by a combination of fuel cells and a small diesel generator
that can be started whenever danger is not imminent. One of the most
innovative ideas is to store energy in a giant flywheel, enabling the tank to
move without using even its electric motors. Ironically, such innovations mean
that the Modifier, despite being designed to wreak destruction on a large
scale, is likely to be one of the greenest production vehicles in Britain. A
spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said he was delighted. "All they have to
do now is remove the gun and ammunition to make this a genuinely
environmentally friendly machine."

From: DracSpy@a...

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:58:51 EST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

In a message dated 99-02-10 19:12:28 EST, you write:

<< Greetings, I found this article about Britain's proposed tank design. It
has plastic armor, adaptive coloring, stealth, a guass cannon, runs on
bateries, and has defensive screens!
[snip]
> [quoted text omitted]
How big do you think that the crew will be?

I think that there was an article in Armor Mag about the Brits tank idea, by
Fort Knox, you can check some articles out on the 'net, the idea of the mag
field is also being worked on in the states, now how would you fit a
MDC/5(T)
on a size 2 vehicle with a GSM/L or H...
If any one wants more info on FCS and other high tech "tanks" email me at

From: Andrew Martin <Al.Bri@x...>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:47:10 +1300

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

> Brian Bell <bkb@beol.net> wrote:

> The London Sunday Times wrote:
    A Star Trek/Star Wars/Full Thrust screen? Not so, just bad word
choice or poor reporting, as we read further...

> Its powerful pulses would disable enemy electronics and
Sounds like directed EMP pulses, or, more likely, ECM. Any other opinions?

> The tank's armament would also be formidable,
Electromagnetic rail gun or coil gun, prototype MDC, but definitely not EMP.

From: Andrew Martin <Al.Bri@x...>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:57:43 +1300

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

> Stephen <DracSpy@aol.com> wrote:
The article does say two or remotely controlled.

> I think that there was an article in Armor Mag about the Brits tank
Size 5 weapon, hull mounted = 10 capacity points = VSC 2 capacity, but doesn't
really fit in the DSII rules.
    Better is this: size 4 vehicle with MDC/5 turreted (15 capacity),
plus
GMS/H in vertical mount (4 capacity points), plus additional APSW (1
capacity), total 20 capacity points.
    Want to include a HEL as well? Turreted MDC/5 (15 capacity), HEL/2
in
independent turret with independent fire control (6 capacity), GMS/H (4
capacity) in vertical mount, all fit into 25 capacity or VSC/5.
For vertical mounting GMS, see my site.

From: jim clem <travmind@h...>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:37:15 PST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:08:57 -0500
From: Brian Bell <bkb@beol.net>
To: GZG Mailing List <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU

A spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said he was delighted. "All they have to
do now is remove the gun and ammunition to make this a genuinely
environmentally friendly machine."

From: DracSpy@a...

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:25:31 EST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

In a message dated 99-02-11 02:25:51 EST, you write:

<<     Size 5 weapon, hull mounted = 10 capacity points = VSC 2
capacity, but doesn't really fit in the DSII rules.
     Better is this: size 4 vehicle with MDC/5 turreted (15 capacity),
plus
 GMS/H in vertical mount (4 capacity points), plus additional APSW (1
capacity), total 20 capacity points.
     Want to include a HEL as well? Turreted MDC/5 (15 capacity), HEL/2
in
 independent turret with independent fire control (6 capacity), GMS/H (4
 capacity) in vertical mount, all fit into 25 capacity or VSC/5.
For vertical mounting GMS, see my site.
> [quoted text omitted]
That sounds like it would be interesting to use, just remember to put
Steal-3
on it, as it says that it is only 20 tonnes (size 2).
-Stephen

From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:20:57 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

> On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, jim clem wrote:

> A spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said he was delighted. "All they

Keep the guns & ammo, and use the tank for enforcing enviromental
regulations..._there's_ a 'genuinely enviromentally friendly machine."

("What do you mean you're still dumping dioxins from your plant? You've been
served enough notices!" **BOOM**):)

> Ohhhh puhh-leeeezzz!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like some of my Green friends.

Are you?

Me, I'm a left-wing warmonger... :)

> "Only the incompetent wait until the last extremity to use

Great quote...

Rather off-topic,

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:50:07 +0000

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

> ----Original Message Follows----

Of course they do. That's one of the joys of being Politically Incorrect....
<grin>

Jon (GZG)
"Die, Eco-Weenies..."  - P.J. O'Rourke
> Jim Clem, B.S.E.

From: DracSpy@a...

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:10:10 EST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

In a message dated 99-02-11 18:30:23 EST, you write:

<< Keep the guns & ammo, and use the tank for enforcing enviromental
 regulations..._there's_ a 'genuinely enviromentally friendly machine."

("What do you mean you're still dumping dioxins from your plant? You've been
served enough notices!" **BOOM**):)

That would work.

> Ohhhh puhh-leeeezzz!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like some of my Green friends.

> They think I'm a right wing warmonger.

Are you?

 Me, I'm a left-wing warmonger... :)

> "Only the incompetent wait until the last extremity to use

Well, maybe the should read Clauswits (sp) he says that force is just another
form of policial force, I agree.
-Stephen

From: jim clem <travmind@h...>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:28:31 PST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:20:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Burger <burger00@camosun.bc.ca>
To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU

Are you?

Me, I'm a left-wing warmonger... :)

From: Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@u...>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:40:16 +0000 (GMT)

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

From: Brian Bell <bkb@beol.net>

> A spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said he was delighted. "All they

surely they only need to remove the ammo? then it's just got big metal tubes
sticking out of it, suitable for bats and owls to build nests in.

Tom

From: DracSpy@a...

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:15:14 EST

Subject: Re: [DS2,SG2] Future Tank

In a message dated 99-02-12 14:46:42 EST, you write:

<< surely they only need to remove the ammo? then it's just got big metal
tubes sticking out of it, suitable for bats and owls to build nests in.

Tom >> And the stacked up ammo can provide a place for mice to nest.
-Stephen