Hi all. Got a question for the UK members here. Some friends and I are about
to recreate some of the key actions of the Second Civil War here. Any thoughts
on UK units and equipment that might have taken part? In fact, any of you US
sophonts can include thoughts on Federal units and equipment as well. This is
for the NCS history.
Thanks in advance
Jim Clem, President, New Confederate States Every once in a while, declare
peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
--Ferengi Rules of Acquisition
Ooooo, nice stuff. We'll be fighting the Second Battle of Chattanooga next
week. We actually live there, should be interesting running across Missionary
ridge with VTOLs and cruising down Moccasin Bend in hovertanks. All the while
firing arty from Lookout Mountain (again).
> On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:58:38 -0600 devans@uneb.edu writes:
I agree entirely. The west would be a certain hot bed, I'm just concentrating
on the South because I live here and understand it much better.
> My vision is that Federal control has totally broken down, individual
Absolutely. Heck, theres a county in northwest Georgia, Dade county, that has
for years been trying to secede from Georgia (honest!) Chattanooga is a prime
site for fighting, as its a major hub for
river/rail/interstate transportation.
> Hi all. Got a question for the UK members here. Some friends and I
Howdy Mr.Pres! LOL!!
Acutually my group here in Alabama played a round of Second American Civil War
scenarios about a year ago, and I have a few general outlines for the
equipment we used. Here are a few pieces:
US/Secessionist
M-8 Schwartzkopf MBT (Class 3 hovertank with a HKP 3 (Enhanced firc
con),
Class 3 reactive armor, HMT powerplant, fast mobility, and Enhanced
ECM)-
The Schwartzkopf was the MBT for the US before the war and served in both
Federal and Rebel forces. Units used by the Southern Alliance (a coalition
of southern states- mainly Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas,
Mississippi, Louisiana, and southern Virginia) were called the Lee MBT. There
were only 3000 built before the war, and war losses and weakened production
lines kept the number fairly low. The Southern Alliance never fielded more
than 800. Both sides fielded this tank in 56 MBT battalions (four line
companies each with 14 tanks plus a two tank command team). The Southern
Alliance tended to concentrate its armor in a handful of ACRs and Armored
Divisions, while the Federal forces tended to spread their armor among their
mechanized divisions.
M-6 Powell IFV- A infantry carrying varient of the M-8. Replaces the HKP
with GMS/H, a RFAC 2, and troop carrying ability. This IFV numbered
around 8000 or so units (counting varients) and served as the main personnel
carrier of the war. The Southern Alliance refered to their M-6's as the
Jackson IFV. Other varients of this vehicle range from M-7 Crusaders (SP
arty) to M-3 Mitchells (AAA). Just replace the main weapons and troop
compartments with the appropriate equipment.
M-8 Funk ACAV- Named for the legendary General Funk (3d Armored Division
CO in Desert Storm). Class 2 vehicle with reactive armor, fast GEV mobility,
RFAC 2 (Enhanced FC), and GMS/L. ECM Enhanced. All Funks are purchased
with the Artillery Observer option. Southern Alliance units were known as
Forest ACAVs. There is also a special troop carrier configuartion of this
vehicle that replaces all of the weapons with a two team troop compartment
(generally one team is artillery observers, the other is APSWs or line teams).
Here is the regiment I used in a running campaign:
12th Alabama Armored Cavalry Regiment.
Formed in Northern Alabama from various local National Guard units and
militia, the 12th ACR served as the Alliance's main armored force in northern
and centeral Tennessee during the Nashville Campaign (August through December
2055). The regiment served V Corps in its defense of the state capital in both
scouting and assault modes. The regiment distinguished itself during the
Battle of Franklin as it covered the retreat of the very battered V Corps into
Northern Alabama.
After Franklin, the regiment was rebuilt and played a vital part in the
Tennessee Valley Campaign. It's role in the defense of Decatur saved the
Alliance's 3d Army and bought time for the 2d Army Group to assault weak
Federal screening forces in Chattanooga. The Alliance counteroffensive was
able to punch strait through the Anglo-Federal rear and force their
withdrawl into western Tennessee. That offensive brought the
Anglo-Federals
back to the peace tables which bought by year's end favorable terms for the
Alliance's return to the Union.
12th Alabama ACR (2055)- Veteran level by 2055. The Regiment was
absorbed into the NAC Army and later was transfered to the NAC's Reserve
forces. By 2183 the regiment was known as the North Alabama Hussars, and was
call to active duty to fight in the 3d Solar War. Later that year, the
reservists of the 2d Battalion, NAH would face a new, alien threat...:)
HHT: Command Troop
2 M-6 Jackson command varients (with 2 troop stands)- Command unit
2 M-8 Lee MBTs (both serve as independent command units)
4 M-3 ADA (With Area Defense capibility)
Dozens of assorted 'soft' vehicles serving in various support roles
Alpha Troop
1st Platoon: 2 M-8 ACAVs (regular), 2 M-8 ACAVs (troop carriers)
2d Platoon: Same as first Platoon
3d Platoon: 4 M-6 IFVs (with full troop component)
Typically Alpha Troop had 12 troop stands- 6 line infantry, 2 observer,
2
APSW, 2 GMS/L
Bravo and Charlie Troops are the same as Alpha
Delta Troop:
Command: 2 M-8 Lee MBTs
1st Platoon: 5 M-8 Lee MBTs
2d and 3d Platoons are the same as 1st Platoon
Generally, Delta Troop Cross-attaches its platoon to the light platoons,
and normally one of the light troop's platoons replaces the attached platoon.
Echo Troop (Heavy weapons)
Atry battery of 8 SP guns plus ammo carriers
Fox Troop
6 VTOL gunships and 4 VTOL scouts (can't find those stats!)
Typically I would field a full troop (either of the first three troops) of
light armor and attached a platoon of MBTs. I also chipped in a few VTOLs from
Fox Troop and arty support from Echo Troop. I seem to remember the point value
being around 2000 points (but I might be remembering a 40K army of mine!).
This force is very fast and rather flexible... but it is *very* missile
heavy and doesn't fair well against heavy armor in the open- but it is
MURDER on tanks in urban terrain!!. Its best bet is to fight in depth, and
conduct a mobile defense. In the attack, I go for Delta Troop as the base
force and borrow heavily from Echo and Fox Troops. I also invest in air
support and more arty when in an assault against dug in infantry (they are V
Corps artillery battalions and Alliance Air Force fighters).
Hope that give you some ideas:)
Scott
Just as aside, if you set up the Second American Civil War as a mirror of the
first, I think you're missing the point. I have always figured it to be a
general breakdown; you forget the anti-Federalist sentiment is stronger,
if possible, through much of the West.
My vision is that Federal control has totally broken down, individual states
claim sovereignty, and brush wars mostly based on purely local issues will
break out. Hearing constant bickering about water rights, especially between
Colorado, Kansas, and Nebraska, a Platte River War sounds one good place to
start. California would probably join in, claiming an even bigger piece of the
Colorado River.
If you can't figure out a reason for Mississippi to invade Arkansas while
Florida is hitting Georgia, you just aren't trying.
The_Beast
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> Just as aside, if you set up the Second American Civil War as a mirror
I agree. In our campaign we assumed that the US fell apart in numerous ways.
The Southern Alliance started as a couple of southern states helping each
other fight the turmoil inside their borders. They were pretty successful, and
were ordered by Federal Authorities to provide troops and supplies to support
other operations around the US. The Alliance refused to obey what they viewed
as an 'illegal government'. The central authority at that time was the remains
of the military, and the chairman of the joint chiefs assumed nearly
dictatorial powers. So, it wasn't really a north vs. south affair... it was a
splinter state vs. federal thing. We picked the south because we were
southerners and wanted to fight in places that we knew:)
By the way... the Battle of Decatur was cool... I got to level my old
high-school!!!
LOL!!
> The_Beast wrote:
> Hearing constant bickering about water rights, especially between
Los Angeles already claims more than 80% of the colorado river, so there is
already a long standing conflict between Colorado and California. The primary
military conflict involving Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona.
(Visualising: "You want the colorad river?!?" [sends a load of explosive
rigged miniboats down the L.A. aquaduct system] "HAVE THIS!!!")
I've lived both places so I know all about this.
> If you can't figure out a reason for Mississippi to invade Arkansas
I don't know much about conflicts between Arkansas and Mississippi, but 90% of
Florida is built on coral limestone deposits. I don't rember at exactly what
rate; but the lack of growth in new coral means that the existing limestone is
desolving into the atlantic ocean. Combine that with the federal attempts to
create wetlands sanctuaries the way I build scratch built miniatures, and a
tendency to not remove old laws from the books, you get a situation where all
the residents of Florida need somewhere to live on
an ever-shrinking and unuseable territory.
Georgia is probably the only place that is economical for all of Disney to
move to. The scenario starts out fine and dandy with a trickle of people
moving from state to state under the U.S.A. interstate commerce laws, but once
the breakup into individual states is in effect Georgia may try to limit
Floridians from entering the state. Part of the prevention will be armed
border guards. Florida will include armed escorts to their people leaving the
state, someone starts shooting,.....
Shhh, It happens.