Jon T. (GZG) said: PS: to answer an earlier post, yes, the new Sa'Vasku ships
are ours; the masters will be coming over to the US very shortly (along with
our new DSII
1/300 minis), so you'll just have to start pestering GeoHex in a while
to see when they're going to be out....:)
I would really like to see more Future Wars models from GZG make it to this
side of the Atlantic. I have the 1992 GZG calalog and it lists several
types of APC's and MIVC's not produced by Geo-Hex and I'd bet that the
GZG
1/300 line has increased since '92. Geo-Hex does have a wide variety of
battle tanks and specialty vehicles but is limited in infantry vehicles. I've
bought enough of their vehicles to have a reinforced battalion sized unit but
I can't see buying the tanks to start an opposing unit from
Geo-Hex unless I can equip them with different infantry vehicles.
Does Full Thrust and its miniatures line sell better than Dirtside and its
miniature line in the States? The ship miniatures line seems to cover the
same range as in England, why can't the 1/300 vehicle range? Just
wondering.
John Kinder said:
> I would really like to see more Future Wars models from GZG make it to
In the UK, we are currently "rationalising" the old FW range prior to
re-releasing it this summer; the range was simply getting too big to
handle, with multiple variants of many items (mainly mix-and-match
turrents
and hull combinations). The DSM (Dirtside Miniatures) 1/300 range that
we've recently introduced are exact 6mm copies of our 25mm resin range, and
though I say it myself they are REALLY superb - I think they are among
the
best-sculpted 6mm SF stuff in production at the moment. <End shameless
commercial plug...:)>
BTW, there are several nice APCs/MICVs in the new DSM line......
> Does Full Thrust and its miniatures line sell better than
To be quite honest, yes. The FT sales outstrip the DS ones by a good margin on
both sides of the pond, though I am hopeful that the new DSM stuff may redress
the balance a bit!
The ship miniatures line seems to cover the
> same range as in England, why can't the 1/300 vehicle range? Just
Basically as above - the DS/FW line is just TOO big as it stands!! CMD
introduced all sorts of odd variants, some of which sold and some didn't.
Incidentally, for any of you who don't already know, we (GZG) bought out the
FT and FW ranges from Paul Copeland of CMD last year, as Paul has had
to semi-retire due to very poor health. We're hoping that when he gets
things back together again Paul may do some more designing for us; in the
meantime we've got plans to increase the FT line with models from some other
designers (as with the new Sa'Vasku that Dave Garnham is doing for
us).
> John Kinder
All the best,
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:04:09 -0500 (EST)
> In a message dated 97-03-23 05:57:05 EST, you write:
CMD
> > introduced all sorts of odd variants, some of which sold and some
> From: "Authorized User" <JKinder@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
> Jon T. (GZG) said:
the
> masters will be coming over to the US very shortly (along with our new
We slowed our releases of DSII stuff last year because of the release of SGII
AND the sheer #'s of packs we had to bring out for that. Also, we had not
received all the DSII stuff and we are anxiously awaiting updated models. We
will begin to release more DSII items starting in May '97 when we bring our CD
ROM DSII Designer program out. Hopefully we can answer our critics and get a
lot of new items out all at once. Look for DSII and the DSM mini's from us
over the summer.
> On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> To be quite honest, yes. The FT sales outstrip the DS ones by a good
How much would you say this is because there's no "mainstream" (read: GW)
competition for FT as there is for DS and SG?
> Basically as above - the DS/FW line is just TOO big as it stands!! CMD
I understand the need to streamline, especially with the packaging, but
personally I'd like to buy odd bits like turrets only for conversions and
other projects. Like the "wings & things" pack but for DS.
> On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Ground Zero Games wrote:
I'd agree with you in general, but I don't think it is so much the GW
competition - with DS & SG it is more the likes of Ogre Minis,
Battletech et al; mind you, in competition to FT there is always Starfire, SFB
etc. I think that FT has grabbed so many people because of its simplicity and
high level of fun, whereas both DS and SG are a little more complex (and
require
a bit more dedication/investment for a game, such as scenery etc., while
an FT game takes little more than a handful of ships and an empty tabletop!).
> Basically as above - the DS/FW line is just TOO big as it stands!!
CMD
> introduced all sorts of odd variants, some of which sold and some
Our new listings for the summer re-release includes assorted packs of
turrets and other bits, which should be what you're looking for.
> --
In a message dated 97-03-23 05:57:05 EST, you write:
> Basically as above - the DS/FW line is just TOO big as it stands!! CMD
Jon (and KR for that matter),
Have you considered producing a "conversion pack" of specialty turrets, dozer
blades, etc. These could then be added to whichever basic hull a player was
using to base his force around, allowing you to produce limited numbers of
ADV's, command tanks, AEV's, Counter-battery Radars, etc...
A suggestion.
Brian
> On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> I'd agree with you in general, but I don't think it is so much the GW
Ogre minis is nice, but not exactly a hot seller around here. I just cleared
our hobby shop's (yes, there's just one in Finland that stocks any
minis besides GW -- and they're certainly not expanding, half the non-GW
stuff is at 50% off) remaining stocks of Ogre minis at a very nice discount
because they weren't selling.
BTech setting is noticeably different, and their figures are 50% off too...
whereas the few GZG rulebooks disappear pretty snappy from the shelves (the
limited few they ever have). BTech IS a good seller, just not the minis. I
think most people play it with counters.
> mind you, in competition to FT there is always Starfire, SFB etc.
Can't say about Starfire, but I wouldn't call SFB a miniatures game. It's
never been popular here, possibly because of the amount of rulebooks needed
just to get started.
> think that FT has grabbed so many people because of its simplicity and
Very true, but someone looking for a microscale SF tank game is going to see
GW Epic promotion and players first. Someone looking for space naval game is
going to have to look a bit harder and that IMHO gives smaller games hidden on
the shelves a chance.
> In the UK, we are currently "rationalising" the old FW range prior to
Great! If that includes the 2300 AD style models that are in the 25mm line I
would be a very happy camper indeed. I hope Mr.Rohan has them with him
at Gen-Con this August.
> On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Mikko Kurki-Suonio wrote:
> > mind you, in competition to FT there is always Starfire, SFB etc.
Starfire is much less of a miniatures game than SFB. (Ie, you can play SFB
with minis, but I wouldn't want to try it on Starfire...)
I think Jon's point was more like "simple space combat systems", not "space
miniature systems":)
Later,
I second the motion.......
> ---------BJCantwell@aol.com[SMTP:BJCantwell@aol.com]
Have you considered producing a "conversion pack" of specialty turrets,
> dozer blades, etc. These could then be added to whichever basic hull a
Most of my TO&E's do include specialty vehicles, and a lot of cool scenarios
can be produced using premises like "bridge that river under the guns of the
enemy" et al.