DS 2: Diversifying terms

6 posts ยท Jun 6 2003 to Jun 9 2003

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:33:56 PDT

Subject: DS 2: Diversifying terms

I am looking at switching some of the tracked vehicles I am currently
using (GZG packs of 3 - DF-T05 and DF-T06 - from the PHR (units of 5
vehicles per platoon and lots of figures - 80 and 60 is a Battalion) to
RRR (Units of 3 vehicles per platoon.)

Currently the RRR uses (Brigade) GEV's but given the fair amount of light
woods in their part of the globe it might be handy to have some tracked
companies available for independent operations. I envision them as a Russian
version of the RCMP plus Border Guards roles crossed with "Mechanized Rangers"
(Lots of dismounted action.)

I need a word to describe this unit, English or (pronounceable for this
Hispanic American <grin> please!) Russian that would annotate them as
different from "line regulars" that the GEV combat force is.

Also, The line forces us HMT/HKP tech.  Would it make sense to:

1) Drop down to HVC/RFAC? Tech (sub option - switch to CFE power.)

2) Accept the drop in one size of weapon for MDC (??) that HMT power
requires - i.e., a size 5 AFV uses size 4 or less MDCs...)

3) Change to DFFG tech because of the short ranges more common in their
engagement ranges? (sub option switch to CFE power.)

4) Stick to HMT/HKP tech.

I consider GHSs, HELs and SLAMs unlikely choices but let's hear your
ideas/feedback, please.

Gracias,

From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: DS 2: Diversifying terms

The Russians/Soviets/etc had paramilitary Border Guards units -
presumably still do, in some form. Borrow their unit name and you'd have a
pretty good fit, I'd say.

"Mechanized Rangers" sounds accurate for what you want, but it's a bit of an
odd mix.

From: Michael Brown <mwbrown@s...>

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:37:09 -0700

Subject: RE: DS 2: Diversifying terms

Cossacks comes to mind. Of course the Border Guards trace back to the NKVD or
even earlier.

Michael Brown

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From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 04:17:13 PDT

Subject: Re: DS 2: Diversifying terms

On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Brian Burger
> <yh728@victoria.tc.ca> writes:
<SNIP>
> "Mechanized Rangers" sounds accurate for what you want, but it's a bit

describes my playing war games to a "T"!

Gracias,

From: John Leary <john_t_leary@y...>

Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: RE: DS 2: Diversifying terms

> --- Michael Brown <mwbrown@sonic.net> wrote:

Cossacks are a regional organized part of the army. Border guards are almost
always a paramilitary organization which is part of the government structure
but not the army. The NKVD was the military arm of the communist party, while
the government paid the bill, the troops were party members and owed loyalty
to the communist party NOT the government (while under normal conditions the
distinction is minimal since the communist party was the government).

Bye for now,

From: Michael Brown <mwbrown@s...>

Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:00:46 -0700

Subject: RE: DS 2: Diversifying terms

I was alluding to the fact that Cossacks are once again being recruited to do
border control type duties. The other was that the Soviet era border guards
did fairly well in the early stages of the Great Patriotic War.

Michael Brown

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