DirtSide II tables

4 posts ยท Feb 28 1998 to Mar 3 1998

From: Mikko Kurki-Suonio <maxxon@s...>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:58:06 +0200 (EET)

Subject: DirtSide II tables

What can I say? I did it. With help from Andy Skinner and Thomas Barclay

(and an collegue who does not play DSII but appreciates a mathematical
problem), I calculated the various damage tables for DirtSide II.

Those with itchy fingers can rush off to
http://www.swob.dna.fi/mini/gzg/ds.html  for vehicle damage tables
http://www.swob.dna.fi/mini/gzg/ds-inf.html  for infantry (and AA)
tables

And those who always bitch about my slow connection, can fetch

http://www.swob.dna.fi/mini/gzg/dsdam.zip

It's only 4kB for both tables zipped. Even the rusty UK lines should swallow
that.

There's also an Excel 5.0 version at

http://www.swob.dna.fi/mini/gzg/ds-tab.zip

Roughly 20kB. Oh, and yes Virginia, the vehicle damage table *does* print
readably out on a single A4. I could have fit the other one there too, had I
tried (more on that later).

A word about the tables: They are based on a single 1d100 roll. What you

do is check your number of chits to be drawn, your opponent's armor and your
validity code to find the correct row. Then roll away. There are ten possible
end results, marked with a number each. That is the minimum number you must
roll to get that result. Look up the number that is the
same as the one you rolled, or the closest one lower -- that's your
result.

Now, while I realize it's very satisfying to pull a BOOM chit, it doesn't
affect game play at all (providing BOOM is valid). A kill is a kill no matter
how you got there. Thus the ten possible end results (miss, btw. is
simply shorter than "No Effect" -- it doesn't mean you somehow blew the
to-hit roll retroactively). Most of the chances have been rounded, but
no more than a fraction of percent in any case. Some chances are rounded out
of the table, because their probability is significantly less than 1%. While I
personally feel it doesn't affect gameplay much if such rare occurances are
ignored, you're free to fetch the entire data from

http://www.swob.dna.fi/mini/gzg/ds.zip

and formulate new tables for 1d10000 or something. It's easy if you know

how to work with Excel.

Now, the infantry tables are interesting. I was actually a bit unclear how
they should work, since the rules are a bit, hmmm, fuzzy. Ok, they say rather
clearly that NO special chits are valid when drawn against infantry.

BUT: SD:Firer is also a special damage chit. So this means if you aim your
MDC/5 at an infantry squad, the chance for it to go "phut" drops from
roughly 10% to blank zero. Sounds dumb, right? So, maybe SD:F is always valid
(a special special chit), but they forgot to tell us about it? Well, then what
happens to an infantry squad that draws it in an infantry
firefight? At this point I gave up second-guessing Jon and Mike and just
did it the way they had written it...

What about replacing each chit after drawing? Well, let's consider this one
example:

Out of the 119 counters, there are two SD:F ones. This is the most rare
counter. 5 chits is max draw. Combining these two elements, we get the case
where it makes about most difference (wrt the end result, not the actual chit
spread pulled) whether you pull your "hand" at one time, or one chit at a time
each from a fresh cup.

Looking at my tables, it's roughly a 10% chance to pull a SD:F with 5 chit
draw using the vanilla method (you can dig the exact chance from my

Excel table if you wish but it's actually something a little lower,
9.xxx%).

The other way around, the chance is 1-(117/119)^5 == 8.125%

Quite frankly, I don't see much of a difference. In fact, I'd probably die of
old age before I noticed a difference of that magnitude in playtest sessions,
if I was not carefully recording each chit pull result and analysing those.

I won't argue math. It's all there. Should I have made a mistake, I'll gladly
correct it.

From: Tony Christney <tchristney@t...>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:51:20 -0700

Subject: Re: DirtSide II tables

> What can I say? I did it. With help from Andy Skinner and Thomas
[SNIP]

Now that has to be the mother of all tables!;). You were right about the slow
connection, I maxed out at < 400 bytes/second. Normally the school's
connection does about 14 kbytes/second!
> --

From: tanker@b...

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:35:58 -0800

Subject: Re: DirtSide II tables

> At 01:58 AM 3/1/98 +0200, you wrote:

They were correct to complain. Must be the slowest connection I've ever
seen on the Web. I'm getting 180Kb/sec...

From: Mikko Kurki-Suonio <maxxon@s...>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:04:07 +0200 (EET)

Subject: Re: DirtSide II tables

> On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Mikko Kurki-Suonio wrote:

> And those who always bitch about my slow connection, can fetch

Actually, this time they did have a point. I moved recently and apparently my
modem's error correction settings were no longer optimal for the new line. In
any case I fixed it and clocked a loop through www.anonymizer.com (that's TWO
trips across the pond, plus their "pay us more" delay) at
1.9kB/s.