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Did anyone else see the "Shai Hulud" on the cammo band of a US LT being
interviewed?

> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Michael Brown wrote:

> Did anyone else see the "Shai Hulud" on the cammo band of a US LT
I did. That was great.

Ok, I'm game...

what does it mean?

(I have no idea whatsoever...)

> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:21:45 -0800

> interviewed?

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It's the Fremen name for the great sand worm of Dune.

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Beast,

I think it was CNN (though hard to tell) or NBC. This was IIRC Friday. May
have been before they crossed the berm.

Firewalls are strange things. We had one between unclassified and classified
systems but after a really stupid transfer of data "the wrong way" they just
broke the link so now everything has to be duplicated on the second system
that is posted for 'all employees' on the first system
because while most have both e-mail addresses some have one OR the
other... which means most of us read the inane items twice.

And when the unclassified system was linked up it too had a firewall (at least
we were told...) but an individual (with my agreement) sent me a poem that
coincidentally had a bunch of 'words' in it that I assume would have twigged
'somebody' to ask questions. Zip response. It was a good poem by the way.

Never got the chance to send it to the classified side since about that time
they broke the linkage (which was about two incidents too late
IMO.)
It was only justice that several stupid people 'donated' their hard drives to
the government...

My wife (who works in a medical related unclassified environment) has a
firewall that is really evil (mostly because what passes on one day will be
rejected on a different day.... go figure.)

Firewalls, like most electronic related things; when they work they work well,
but when they don't... nobody seems to know why...

Gracias, Glenn

> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:48:13 -0600 devans@nebraska.edu writes:

G'day,

Noam help me out here but assuming I haven't mangled things too badly doesn't
it also mean "gift from the sands"?

Cheers

> G'day,

Sounds about right. In Hebrew, Shai is one of the words for gift (and not an
uncommon name in Israel) and Chol is sand. I believe Herbert took allot of his
Dune terminology from either Arabic or Hebrew (possibly both), and the two are
related enough to have a good number of similar words. I'm not sure whether
there's a more direct translation for Arabic.

> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:25:13 -0600

D'oh. I knew that.

*sigh*

Thanks Don;)

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It's the Fremen name for the great sand worm of Dune.

D'oh. I knew that.

*sigh*

Go watch any TV channel. Now. It's like the day the Woodpeckers hit Die Mauer.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:01:31 +1000, "Alan and Carmel Brain"
> <aebrain@webone.com.au> wrote:

> Go watch any TV channel. Now.

What I'd like to see right now is Baghdad Bob, the Information Minister,
telling everyone that the Coalition is being defeated and they are nowhere
near the city!

I almost feel sorry for the voluntary human shields. The US Marines won't be
taunted, and the Iraqis are pushing past them to help pull down the statue!

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:

> Go watch any TV channel. Now.

Apparently many Germans don't appreciate the Berlin Wall references being
thrown around.(according to a clip I heard on CBC earlier today, anyway...)
Regardless, now the really important (and far more dangerous) work begins:
reconstructing Iraq without screwing the situation up even further.

ObGZG Ref: Speculation as to the workings of the Red Cross/Cresent &
other
NGOs in 2185? I can see large de-mil'd carriers or converted civilian
shipping in gleaming white livery with giant red crosses, designed to act
as mobile relief/aid stations for colonies in trouble. No idea if this
could have any scenario bearing at all - just interesting background
speculation.

> On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Allan Goodall wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:01:31 +1000, "Alan and Carmel Brain"

http://www.wackyiraqi.com/home/

Right hand column, right now. "Al-Sahhaf went on to explain that the
invading armies had not yet reached Saddam International Airport, and also
that they had been soundly defeated when they reached Saddam International
Airport."...just an excerpt...

Several other choice pieces of topical satire there, too.

Who else sort of hopes the Info Minister survives, so he can get his own TV
show?

From: "Brian Burger" <yh728@victoria.tc.ca>

> ObGZG Ref: Speculation as to the workings of the Red Cross/Cresent &

One further amusing squib from today's news, from an AP wire story:

"Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud..." - Um, someone tell the nice
reporter that the whole damn family is 'Saud', that *every* male member of
the family is a prince - and that there are a few thousand members of
the
family/clan... just file this one under "Inadequate Information".

OK, it's late, and I'm easily amused.

> that *every* male member of the family is a prince - and that

Is that anything like Oz professors named 'Bruce'?

> ...and I can see such vessels being used for gun- and/or drug-running.

You have to admit, as grim a reality as it is, it would make for
interesting scenerios: approaching the Red Cross/Red Cresent ship
broadcasting 'mayday', the patrol commander was a bit surprised to see a few
fighters instead of evac shuttles belching from the bays...

The_Beast

Only the Philosophy professors:)

Michael Brown

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> Brian Burger wrote:

> One further amusing squib from today's news, from an AP wire story:

Um, someone tell the nice Mr.Burger that the Arabs use their first names a lot
more than we westerners do on formal occasions, and that the Saudi foreign
minister's first name is "Saud" just like Mr.Burger's own first name is
"Brian".

The Saudi foreign minister's full name is Saud bin Faisal bin Abd
al-Aziz Al
Saud, which means "Saud son of Faisal son of Abd al-Aziz, of the clan Al
Saud".

Regards,

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> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

> Brian Burger wrote:

OK, I stand corrected on the matter of Saud family naming, esp. WRT this
specific member (the Foreign Minister). I assumed that Saud was just the
gentleman's family name, and that his full name had been shortened by the
reporter. Evidently in this case it's his first name *and* his
family/clan
name...

What's the line about "Assume making an a*s out of u"? <g>

Actually, I am not sure when or where this picture was taken, it looks like
some time after the statue was taken down. I was watching the video from MSNBC
as the vehicle pulled up and about the 40 minutes or so as they prepared to
pull it down, there was quite a crowd in the square, much larger then this
picture tells of.

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> At 6:58 PM +0200 4/11/03, KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de wrote:

Oh, yeah, the troops were out to get the journalists, which is why they fired
a tiny bit of armament at the hotel rather than leveling it. Isn't it even
possible that someone misjudged where fire was coming from and fired rounds at
the wrong building? Fire control isn't super solid and is still a rough art in
combat. KH you of all people should know that.

Doesn't Murphys law of combat even enter into the minds of the journalists
with combat experience? Combat zones are dangerous places. If you want to be
safe, don't hang out in building when snipers could be a problem in nearby
buildings. You hide. You stay low. Allied Troops in armored vehicles with
recognition signs and other friendly fire prevention methods still get shot at
and troops still die from Blue on Blue. Combat zones are hazardous areas. If
those press were really smart, they would have placed a bloody huge flag on
the hotel with PRESS written across it. And manned cameras remotely.

And of course, those same military master minds gathered those folks together
to pull down the statue. And all the footage I keep seeing here at work is all
the work of manipulation by the US and British Military.

Sorry KH I just don't think that dog will hunt.

That's why I so dislike the indy media. They don't get it. They don't look at
history and they don't grasp logic or how chaos can make things just happen.

For example
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2841.htm
Its a war zone, some folks will die. The iraqi forces haven't been fighting
fair. Yet, we have to fixate on the kids. Remember the
children! Jeeze, it sounds like the basic anti-gun rhetoric.  How
many children aren't going to die now because Saddam and Chemical Ali won't be
gassing the Kurds. I remember footage of the dead kurds from TV back when I
was in elementary school and the Iran Iraq war was raging.

On that main page, they have "Body Count 1158 min, max 1411". How many died in
the gassing of the Kurdish or marsh Arab regions? They were still exchanging
prisoners with Iran from the war 20 years ago. Compare the indy media's
numbers on to how many civilians died in Normandy? Caen alone had 2400
civilian casualties. Civilians, red forces and blue forces are getting a huge
break in this war compared to many others. In WWII Germans suffered on a
massive scale that the Iraqi's won't ever see.

The bitching about the Blue on Blue as being incredible and amazing is just as
specious. Combat is chaotic. Its far far far less chaotic now than is was 50
years ago.

The indy media always has to have a big conspiracy behind everything.

> Ryan M Gill wrote:
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> At 1:25 PM -0400 4/11/03, Ryan M Gill wrote:

Oh, and when you look at photo's of the event while the crowd is standing
back, look at the number of press types that have shown up to take pictures.
Look for the nonexistent minder with every one of those press corps
photographers there to make sure that they're doing what the regime wants.

And you know that the Fall of the Berlin wall was manipulation of the Press by
the Western Governments too! It's all a plot against the socialist workers of
the world!

Feh!

I just think being a journalist in the warzone, you have to know you are
risking that sort of thing. If you don't you shouldn't be there.

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