On Tue, 4 May 2004 08:58:30 +0100 Roger Burton West
<roger@firedrake.org> writes:
> On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 04:30:39PM -0500, warbeads@juno.com wrote:
<snip>
> I think the fine gradation between NSL and FSE is pragmatically
"IN" Europe? Zip, as that is not my AOR so why go on my own money?
<grin> We averaged about 6-8 European exchange students (plus a few
Asian and/or African) each year in high school plus both times I went to
college full time I managed to end up with a high percentage of my classes
having European fellow students (although many more Asian
students/TAs since we are talking Seattle and California (Los Angeles
and Sacramento.))
There is a _huge_ cultural
> gulf
I can't comment on degree of difference from on site experience but I see
the FSE Pseudo-French Dominated (vaguely "Northern" or "Western"
European, depending on how you learned it in the 1950's/1960's ) and the
NSL Pseudo-German dominated ("Western" or "Northern" Europeans again;
"Southern Europe" was relegated to Spain and Portugal by default of never
being addressed.) The classic example from my college experience was a French
programmer and her German husband. Oh yeah, big cultural differences but also
much in common. Not that I would have told her that... <grin>
I admit there are cultural differences, just look at East Coast versus Left
Coast (basically Socialist versus Anarchist <grin>) in the USA. The
differences are just exaggerated for effect in the Tuffleyverse. IMO. But I'll
have to take consideration of others' first hand experience since I don't see
myself out of country (I turned down the chance to be a 'tourist' in S.E.A.
this year already) in this life time.
> Roger
Gracias,
From: <warbeads@juno.com>
> There is a _huge_ cultural
> >as
> I admit there are cultural differences, just look at East Coast versus
The
> differences are just exaggerated for effect in the Tuffleyverse. IMO.
> But I'll have to take consideration of others' first hand experience
To see a truly embarressing article in the Grauniad, er, Guardian, have a look
at
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2004_05_02_aebrain_archive.html#108367762206
934393
Summary: A British journalist goes to Alabama, and proceeds to extrapolate
"what the average American thinks". So I decided to write about Denmark, and
extrapolate "what the average European thinks".
Australia is incredibly homogenous*, the differences in accent and language
between, say, Melbourne and Sydney are so minute as to be lost in the noise.
The difference between the Australian and New Zealand accents is actually more
pronounced now than it was 30 years ago, probably because both countries have
only existed in their current forms for about a century.
* Queensland excepted. They do things differently there. Even more differently
than Taswegians.
Anyway, my travels in the US have been confined to NY, Connecticut, Ohio, DC,
From: "Alan and Carmel Brain" <aebrain@webone.com.au>
> Anyway, my travels in the US have been confined to NY, Connecticut,
You'll have to visit God's Country next time you're in the States, then. You
will need to learn how to use the second person plural ("y'all") but it is no
longer mandatory that you eat grits. Seriously, even in the South there are
differences. When my sales territory was the southeastern US, I could tell by
their accent over the phone which state a person was from, and often which
part of the state (eastern vs western Tennessee, or central vs western North
Carolina). As for culture...well, even yogurt has culture.
> At 11:23 AM +1000 5/5/2004, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
The
> differences are just exaggerated for effect in the Tuffleyverse.
IMO.
> But I'll have to take consideration of others' first hand experience
OT *AHEM* North of the border between Queensland and the Southern types there
are some differences that we "northeners" put down to the
ameliorating effects of the heat and lack of shoulder-to-shoulder
living practiced by the inhabitants "down south". Please be aware that we are
speaking of all of Australia north of the
Queensland/NSW border and that does represent a land mass comparable
to most of Europe. We have more in common with the Taswegians in that we are
used to the way that the politicians ignore us. The accents and dialect words
are discernable. (part of my job) The proposal is that cultural differences
can occur as a result of climate effects as well as the perception that there
is a
centrally-navel-gazing government clique looking after themselves who
"see not the others".
;-)
MarkS
From: "Mark Sykes" <tardis@byterocky.net>
> *AHEM*
I should add that I live in Canberra, otherwise known in Queensland
as "The Enemy", "Barad-Dur" etc.
Think of the great regard and respect the hardworking Gummint Employees of
Washington DC are held in by some in the US, and you get the idea.
Mark has the misfortune to live in a place subject to periodic
infestations of Sea-Wasps (Box Jellyfish - really, really venomous
> At 2:42 PM +1000 5/5/2004, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
We can't spell <<Barad-Dur>>...
> Think of the great regard and respect the hardworking Gummint Employees
and not to forget the Irukandji-dangerous by box jellyfish (BJF)
standards (kills more then the BJF and our old friend the Taipan -
the very venomous snake that does NOT run away from humans.
> It's also God's Own Country, and some would say the best spot on
The name given to
SUITCASE: port/bag
SWIMMING COSTUME: togs/trunks/cossies
POWER POLES: posts/stobbie poles/