Okay folks, hep da poor Canuck out.
I think of the flag from the hood of the General Lee (Dodge Charger with
welded doors) as the "Confederate Flag". It has an orange field, a blue
cross, and white stars (number vague...) in the blue cross - Stars and
Bars I think someone called this. I don't really know about any battle flags
they may have (since they probably had a few). Was this not the flag of the
Confederacy? I see something like it was what Nyrath used on his starmap so
far.
If there is a good online reference on some of these flags (that is to say
Confederate flags of the period), I'd be interested.
That's the Confederate battle standard. There is a different flag that was the
actual "Flag of the Confederacy". I forget what it looks like, though.
> I think of the flag from the hood of the General Lee (Dodge Charger
In a message dated 11/29/99 2:08:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> kaladorn@home.com writes:
<< I think of the flag from the hood of the General Lee (Dodge Charger with
welded doors) as the "Confederate Flag". It has an orange field, a blue
cross, and white stars (number vague...) in the blue cross - Stars and
Bars I think someone called this. I don't really know about any battle flags
they may have (since they probably had a few). Was this not the flag of the
Confederacy? I see something like it was what Nyrath used on his starmap so
far.
If there is a good online reference on some of these flags (that is to say
Confederate flags of the period), I'd be interested.
Tom B. Who knows a little about the US Civil War, but scarely a smidgeon
compared to the vast sea of knowledge there is to acquire
> [quoted text omitted]
The flag to which you refer, known as a "rebel flag", is the battle flag of
the army of Northern Virginia, it was never the official flag of the
Confederacy as a whole. Many people, including southerners, don't realize
this, and have used the "stars and bars" to represent the confederacy, and
their own beliefs, rather than keeping it as an honorable symbol of the brave
men who fought and died. It would be in keeping for those who have forgotten
it's history to use it as their national flag...
John
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:27:37 EST, JohnDHamill@aol.com wrote:
> The flag to which you refer, known as a "rebel flag", is the battle
Okay, first off... the flag of the Confederacy WAS the "Stars and Bars". What
you have been talking about, the blue "X" shaped cross with 11 stars on a
field of red is NOT the "Stars and Bars". It's a Confederate battle flag. In
fact, there are several that look very similar. Some had a white outline
around the blue cross, some didn't. Some had gold around the edge, and some
didn't. The number of stars varied. There were 9 states in the Confederacy,
but some flags had 11 stars (representing Kentucky and Missouri which were
technically northern states, but claimed by the Confederacy.
The problem the early Conferate units had was that there was no one uniform
flag. Each state, and often each regiment, flew a different flag. Later, the
"stars and bars" was adopted as the "national" flag, while individual units
flew their own flags. The battle flag that everyone knows was flown by several
states, including Virginia. It became the national flag of I believe North
Carolina (but it might be south...) and was used by early white supremacists
as a rallying flag, hence it's modern negative connotations.
The "Stars and Bars" was obviously modeled on the "Stars and Stripes". It had
a blue square in the top right corner of the flag. The square was 2/3
the "height" of the flag. Inside were the stars of the Confederacy, usually in
a circle. Instead of stripes, there were three bars. One red bar ran under the
blue square for the width of the flag, horizontally. To the right of the
square, running parallel to the full red bar, was a red bar on the top and a
white bar in the middle. One picture I've seen shows 7 stars, the 7 states
that were in the Confederacy when Sumter fell.
(Tom, let me know if you want to see what this looks like, if my description
isn't clear; I'll scan a picture and ship it to you via e-mail.)
I've seen another variant of the stars and bars where the stars were shaped in
the form of a rounded letter "A".
Oh, and Tom, let me know if you still want a list of Confederate generals'
names. Didn't know I was a Civil War buff, did you? *L*
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:27:16 GMT, agoodall@interlog.com (Allan Goodall) wrote:
> The "Stars and Bars" was obviously modeled on the "Stars and Stripes".
It had
> a blue square in the top right corner of the flag.
D'oh!!! Top LEFT corner... The top corner closest to the flagpole! D'oh!
Allan Goodall agoodall@interlog.com
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