ChitDrawer source.

Hi,

Last call for C++ source code that simulates the DSII chit drawing
mechanism.

Hi Tony -

I'd be interested in seeing the code if possible. I might could port it to
Windows CE (to run on a Palm PC) for you.

Thanks, Keith

> Hi Tony -

As something of a Palm fanatic (see sig) I'd love to see a couple of programs
for my favorite games on my favorite handheld PC. Are there any GZG
applications out there already for the Palm?

Thanks,

> Hi, Ted, you wrote:

I'm considering getting a Palm PC in the near future. Do you know what
software development tools are available for it?

Hi Andrew -

> I'm considering getting a Palm PC in the near future. Do you know what

I should probably be more clear: I have a Windows CE-based Palm PC
("Palm-sized PC" is probably the official term), not a Palm Organizer
(which
used to be called a Palm Pilot - are they still?).  I'm totally in love
with my Casio. I use it constantly; never leave home without it. (And it
currently has more games on it than my desktop! <g>) My wife has one as well.
She just left for a conference in Atlanta; we were able transfer her flight
information from her PPC to mine with no effort at all. Also, if she's using
the desktop, I can still get a lot of work done just on the Palm PC. The Game
Boy emulator is nice as well.. <g>

For WinCE development, you need a Windows CE Toolkit from Microsoft. This
is a plug-in for either Visual C++, Visual J++, or Visual Basic.
Important note: if you have version 6 of the Visual Studio tool, you need
version 6
of the WinCE toolkit!   It includes the cross-compiler (for creating
native binaries). Note that this is distinct from the WinCE SDK's, which can
be downloaded for free. In addition to the toolkit, you need the SDK for the
platform you want to develop for: Palm PC, Handheld PC, or Handheld PC Pro
(plus some more obscure platforms).

There are some alternatives, none of which are completely satisfactory. You
can use PocketC which is a shareware C compiler, but it does not create
native executables (and so are a little difficult for the end-user to
get
running - but it's fine for most of us).  Though useful, not an ideal
solution.  Waba (Java as pronounced in Spanish) is a Java-like language
that runs on WinCE. The advantage here is that Waba programs can be run as
Java
programs in a web browser (but not vice-versa) using a special wrapper
class.  The trouble with this is that Waba is mind-numbingly slow.  I've
also heard good things about NSBasic (including that you can develop WinCE
software on the WinCE device rather than the desktop, which would be handy),
but I don't know much about it. I would have tried it, but it's $99 and is
presumably not as powerful as C++ (but who knows?).  I picked up the
WinCE toolkit cheap on eBay, so it was definitely the better option.

I went the WinCE toolkit route after having tried PocketC and Waba.
Development is pretty easy under the toolkit, really. If you can already
program for Windows, it's definitely the way to go. I've heard PalmOS (the
other organizer platform) has some decent development tools as well; hopefully
someone else here can help you with that.

TTYL..

And if you want a Pilot derivative you can use a free version of gcc that does
executables for the Palms or Visors. What I am hearing is that the Visor is
the way to go. When I replace my III (which was stolen in Dallas) I'm going
with a Visor.

Also, in way of GZG type software, I saw a spreadsheet for designing FT ships
for one of the standard spreadsheets you can get for your Palm.

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:47:59 +1300, "Andrew Martin" writes:

For a palm pilot you can use either the gcc-port (gcc front end and a
palm back end to make native.prc files) or Metroworks Codewarrior, which has a
palm version. Codewarrior is a full blown windows development enviroment with
debugger, etc. But its not cheap. If you're doing serious palm devel. I like
codewarrior, but for the hobbyist, gcc and gdb for the palm pilot are probably
a better solution.

I can provide more details off line if you're interested. I spend my days
working on a Ph.D. thesis, but my nights doing palm application development
for Sun Labs.

> Matthew L. Seidl wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:47:59 +1300, "Andrew Martin" writes:

> >I'm considering getting a Palm PC in the near future. Do you know

These two are probably the best available but there are others. In my
wanderings through Palm sites I've seen Forth, Scheme, Java, and another C
development tools available. Some of them quite cheap or even free, though
remember you get what you pay for. I love my Palm and am glad to see a lot of
programs written for it. Just wish I had time to do some of my own
programming.

Someone else asked if Palms are still called Palm Pilots. Officially they are
not. The Pilot Pen company insisted that the pilot part of the
name be dropped :-(  There are also the new ones available from
Handspring called Visor which are compatable with the existing Palms.

Enjoy,

> On 12-Jan-00 at 13:01, Tom Granvold (Thomas.Granvold@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:

Argh, that myth. Forget the "You get what you pay for" bit. I haven't
benchmarked palm-gcc, but at one point in time the benchmarks for
GCC showed it to generate code about 3% slower than a commercial
compiler costing in excess of $100K.  (GCC is _much_ faster now)

And in that area, I have used Photoshop and the Gimp. If you need to deal
directly with CMYK Photoshop is better, for everything else I have done Gimp
is just as capable and much easier.

Has anyone seen any Palm software other than the FT 2nd edition ship
generator?

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Keith Watt wrote:

> I should probably be more clear: I have a Windows CE-based Palm PC

Mind your acronyms there Keith. PPC can also indicate Power PC processors.
I've generally seen handhelds like Palms and WinCE boxes referred to as Palm
Tops.

I'm partial to the Palm. I've a Palm V. I used to use a newton and I like the
similarities. The seamless integration with the macintosh on the Palm is very
very nice.

> Andrew Martin wrote:

Don't get a Palm. Get a Handspring Visor instead. It uses the Palm OS, so all
palm software works on it.

> Roger Books wrote:

> Keith Watt wrote:

> > Hi,

> Matthew Seidl wrote:

> Ryan Montieth Gill wrote:

I prefer Particle Projection Cannon myself. ;-)

Mike