On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:05:26 -0600 "Mark A. Siefert"
> <siefertma@wauknet.com> writes:
<snip>
> I have just one question: What's the age limit on having a good
I assume this was said for effect *but* just in case there is some
significant person in your life twisting scripture that badly -
The exact quote (1 Corinthians 13:11:) "When I was a child, I talked like a
child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I
put childish ways behind
me."
Sounds pretty bad, right? Baloney (as opposed to what I could say) -
the quote comes from a long series of comments about (according to the
Revised Standard Version - 'unity in diversity' (pre-PC) and 'specific
gifts' (as in the Holy Spirit) and that verse comes from Paul's soliloquy
on divine love) - to wit "...Love is patient, love is kind. It does not
envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not
self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrong.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects,
always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails...(insert the
part above)...and now these three remain: faith, love, and hope. But the
greatest of these is love."
NOTHING about 'being mature' or conforming to the world's standards -
actually just the opposite but we won't go there now... <little grin>
I once asked why there is every valid emotion attributed to Jesus except
"Jesus laughed" and heard an interesting answer from a pastor - "I
expect you don't record the everyday, normal 'boring' behavior."
In other words, scripture doesn't demand you give up joy - in the
reality
it's commanded that (Phillipians 4:8) - "Finally brothers, whatever is
true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is
lovely, whatever is admirable - think on such things." Maybe Matchlocks
on the Warpath is not the top end of those things but it certainly a lot
better then what passes for 'adult entertainment' on the mass media.
Temptation Island?? Survivor??!!
So, in summation, if there is some jerk using twisted scripture to bash your
over the head about war games ('playing with toys') I suggest you refer him to
the God who created us to see the honor in the sacrifice for God, King and
Country (not necessarily all three at once) and the pure love of those you
defend. And if it seldom achieves that level in real terms that is because we
are imperfect in our current state not because the model is wrong. If Jesus
hung around drunks, tax collectors and prostitutes then I should have no fear
about hanging around war gamers
(Historical, Science Fiction or even /Fantasy/.)
And **no** apologies. If war was good enough for God (Joshua 10:11, Revelation
19:11) then it's good enough for me! <grin>
> And **no** apologies. If war was good enough for God (Joshua 10:11,
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the
weak say, I am strong.
- Joel, 3:10,
...and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into
pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
they learn war any more.
- Isaiah, 2:4
Just a little something to stir up the inquistors in your life. :-)
[quoted original message omitted]
> gamer-turned-fundementalist uncle
Hey you got one of those too! Well mine's my Dad..... On the upside Mark it
should be easier to avoid Uncles than fathers;)
Who's decided she's just not having that argument with her parents
AGAIN!!! ;)
Beth
> Absender: beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au
John 21:2-3 :
And having called forward a little child, Jesus set him in their midst. And He
said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little
children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven
So There!!
Quoting out of context is a common minor sin among fundamentalists ;-)
Greetings
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:10:48 +1100
Hey Beth and Mark,
everyone's comments seem to indicate a direction -- how to resolve the
perception of wargaming to the family. on one hand, we want our families good
will and support, but on the other, they must respect our decisions. what a
dilemma!
my mother used to do the same thing to me, and I am also a conservative
(but not narrow-minded) christian. apparently she thought wargames
caused one to crave death and destruction. I game for the interaction with
others and history, not the bloodiness. I explained to her that the evil in
the world comes from inside us (and that's Biblical), not from a game box;
otherwise, Monopoly causes greed, etc... now my mom is at ease -- but
the victory took years to accomplish. she mostly watched how I lived and made
decisions.
since most of us on the list are married with children, we must consider
what we introduce to our kids -- even wargaming. if I show them only
bloody combat where only winnning counts, I failed as a father. if I can
teach them about history and the joy of meeting/knowing other people,
then I've given them something valuable. it's all a matter of what the goal of
the teaching is and how it's approached. our home already has many lessons on
war, fighting, selfishness, defending what's right, and how to distinguish
them.
good luck to you with your families and wargaming.
> > >gamer-turned-fundementalist uncle
Here is my recollection of my only conversation with one of those "gaming is
SATANIC" people
Nut: Do you realize that by playing these games you are endangering your very
soul to eternal damnation? Dungeons and Dragons was created by worshipers of
Satan to seduce young people into his service!
Me: 3 things. In response to your first statement: To damn late. In response
to your second statement: D&D has absolutely nothing to do with my worship of
the dark lord. We have a much more sophisticated methods of gaining
worshipers then any pissy-little game. And finally IT'S NOT SATAN DAMN
IT! HE'S NOTHING BUT A MINOR DEMON! THE DARK LORDS NAME IS BEELZEBUB!
With that I walked away muttering.
The look of horror on his face was simply priceless. My seeming conviction at
what I said was true really threw him off. It was simply great. Whether
it did any good or not I don't know, but It was sure fun :-)
Of course none of what I said about my worship of Satan was true. In fact I am
confirmed in the United Church of Canada, my sister teaches Sunday school, my
Father is an elder with the church, and my mother is doing her
internship to be a minister. :-)
> > > >gamer-turned-fundementalist uncle
Well people are entitled to their opinions and like most opinions they
are mis-informed.
What I do know is that I am a RPG fan and a Wargaming fan. Neither of which
give me any desire to worship anything or anyone. It's a game. If it paid my
mortgage for me then I might expect some hidden catch but it doesn't.
But on the nostalgia thing I only got into wargaming because of two events.
1st I thought Warhammer (2nd ed) was another RPG to try. (imagine my confused
looks at the box contents:) 2nd I wanted a greek soldier to represent my
fighter for D&D only to have an argument with the store owner who refused to
sell them individually. Apparently you don't buy wargame figures separately:)
Oh and for the record I will be 29 for the next 56 days, after that my age may
vary;)
Hope these have about run their course.
Attacks on adventure gaming (I'm still having trouble with the term) run from
inciting a war mentality (we all know plenty whose actions and talk
fit the bill, but hope they'll succumb to the GW-hype that Karl
mentioned), to ungodly (aren't we amused there's a Christian collectable card
game?) to childish ('nuthin childish about a man that recognize a Sherman in
Tiger's clothing in a movie, or hundreds of other historical details), to just
a
waste of time and space (well, Karen does have a point there... ;->= ),
to the wrongness of gambling (sigh).
Jalinth, I admire your energy and quick wit, but, as with the proselytizers
shouting on our campus near the student union, confrontation only energizes
them, and gives 'em an audience. Walk away with a smile and a 'thank you very
much', and they are usually sputter more than your surprised acquaintance.
***
Oh and for the record I will be 29 for the next 56 days, after that my age may
vary;)
***
Funny, I usually hear something like: Oh and for the record I will be 29
for the next 56 days, and will NEVER vary thereafter. ;->=
As an aside inspite of wanting these to 'run their course', while I received
numerous warnings about turning 30, I found, and have since had others concur,
that 35 is FAR more dangerous.
Dave said:
> since most of us on the list are married with children, we must
Agree. Of course, when you're young, there's also a certain
attraction in doing something--anything--that's Not-Mainstream
("freaking the mundanes"), but hopefully that wears off pretty soon. Meanwhile
gaming can be used to teach arithmetic, probability,
geometry/trigonometry, history, economics, basic physics, astronomy,
plus lots more if you get into worldbuilding--not to mention values such
as winning or losing gracefully, being a good sport, cooperating with your
team (assuming you have enough other gamers around for a
multi-player endeavor), determination, etc.
I hypothesize that kids a certain age--around 10-12--are looking for
ways to be winners or have at least one area of their life where they have
some power. Letting your child haul out an Ogre or a Battledreadnought
squadron and beat up on your forces is one way to
gratify that. Adding other elements to the mix--eg economics and
negotiation in a campaign game--just lets you capitalize even more on
the learning experience.
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***
> to just a waste of time and space
That's something else I've noticed in this day and age: The downright
hostility toward hobbies of anykind. Gamers like ourselves, stamp collectors,
models builders, amatuer historians, fly fishers, and other esoteric pursuits
have probably heard the phrase "get a life" more than once. Just what, pray
tell, I am SUPPOSED to be doing when I'm not sleeping or working to fed,
clothe, and shelter myself?
***
Relax, Mark. I meant it when 'she had a point'. And, she's NEVER actually
called it a waste of time, just that she hates the clutter of my unorganized
storage of games and materials takes up in 'her house'. While some will
recognize the refrain as being painfully close to home, I think many would
agree with her if they saw my 'mess'.
She actually cherishes the freedom I give her to do her writing, occasionally
locked out of her home office for hours, or feeding the
infernal froo-froo dog while she's away at a writers retreat.
In the final analysis, we're a couple of old batchelors that respect each
other's space and manias. WELL matched, indeed.
Speaking of which... ;->=
Please view:
http://www.mysterynet.com/twist/twist200/twist200-1.shtml
or:
http://www.mysterynet.com/twist
and click on Previous Twist.
> ----- Original Message -----
The things that the mundanes DO consider to be socially "normal" - drink
yourself senseless, wash the car, beat the wife, spend thirty quid to scream
like a moron at a couple of dozen overpaid idiots chasing an inflated sheep's
pancreas round a field on Saturday afternoon, things like
that.... ;-)
Jon (GZG) - probably feeling particulary cynical tonight....
PS: A classic case in point: to the mundanes, a person walking down the street
wearing a football shirt with a player's name and number on the back = OK, a
keen fan. A person out in public in a Star Trek uniform = a loony. Discuss.
> Later,
> Dave said:
Ohhhh no it doesn't! Any group of gamers and/or Skiffy fans worth their
salt should be able to seriously out-weird mundanes on a regular basis,
whatever their ages.... and it never stops being fun! ;-)
Jon (GZG) "If I ever start to grow up and act my age, please have me shot."
> Meanwhile gaming can be used to teach arithmetic, probability,
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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Bif Smith wrote:
> I don`t have this problem with family, due to my father being a train
Ok, I missed it. Train spotter? Ok, just tell me where FAQ is...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Mike Stanczyk wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Bif Smith wrote:
A 'train spotter' is someone who spots trains.
<ducks>
In North America they're usually know as 'railfans' - people who head
out in all sorts of weather to oogle freight trains. Frequently obsessive
souls - not unlike wargamers, but generally with better tans.
In the UK they seem to have the rep of absolute strangeness... the 'anorak'
thing is also uniquely British.
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> since most of us on the list are married with children, we must
Nicely said. My 14 year-old daughter plays in our regular D&D game, and
just this week she asked if she could join me for the FT game I'm hosting this
saturday to see what its like. My wife, while she enjoys roleplaying, I
beleive does show some patience when it comes to my miniatures, because, well,
you can never seem to have enough! She shows great restraint, and every once
in a while even lets me indulge!
I've always felt that its important to involve family in my gaming activities,
and its a wonderful way to spend time together!
George
> ----- Original Message -----
Generally, a true "Trainspotter" not only spots trains, but writes down the
locomotive numbers in a little notebook.... but the ones that REALLY scare me
are the bus spotters....
In a message dated 2/21/01 4:59:01 PM Central Standard Time, jon@gzg.com
writes:
> Generally, a true "Trainspotter" not only spots trains, but writes
And the immemorial question arises "What Colour Is Your Anorak?"
In a message dated 2/21/01 5:33:37 PM Central Standard Time, jon@gzg.com
writes:
> The traditional colours are orange, blue and the infamous "snot
"Snot Green" which is the traditional furtive train spotter, correct?
> In a message dated 2/21/01 4:59:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> And the immemorial question arises "What Colour Is Your Anorak?"
The traditional colours are orange, blue and the infamous "snot
green".... ;-)
G'day,
> I've always felt that its important
We've found it to be a lot of fun, though it can be as educational for the
parent as the child;)
Lachy is always keen to play now and it seems to have really helped his
concentration span and decision making processes. Janneke's only just starting
to want to play much, but she already loves painting. As a mother there's few
more touching moments then when your kids ask you to sit down and help them
chose their first SG force;)
Cheers
Beth
> on 2/21/01 16:34, stranger at stranger@cvn.net wrote:
> Nicely said. My 14 year-old daughter plays in our regular D&D game,
It's nice to have a lady like this in your life. Mine encourages me every so
often as long as I'm not risking the house, retirement, etc. Truth be
told that my wife is a gamer - at least in the RPG sense although she's
said she wants to try historical gaming soon (and without my prodding).
> I've always felt that its important to involve family in my gaming
What a good attitude. Several of our D&D'ers participate as husband & wife or
husband, wife and child(ren) and it makes for some great gaming.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:10:48 +1100, Beth Fulton
<beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au> wrote:
> Hey you got one of those too! Well mine's my Dad.....
In my case it's a mother-in-law (for the next little while, anyway).
Fortunately she doesn't lecture. I think she would if she knew far more about
Call of Cthulhu than she does...
> > I've always felt that its important to involve family in my gaming
Thanks for writing this Beth. It was quite touching. I've passed it on to
several of my gaming girl friends, 'round the world.
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> > I've always felt that its important to involve family in my gaming
How old are your two now, Beth?
---
That's something else I've noticed in this day and age: The downright
hostility toward hobbies of anykind. Gamers like ourselves, stamp collectors,
models builders, amatuer historians, fly fishers, and other esoteric pursuits
have probably heard the phrase "get a life" more than once. Just what, pray
tell, I am SUPPOSED to be doing when I'm not sleeping or working to fed,
clothe, and shelter myself?
---
Consider this: someone who is passionate about their chosen recreation, who
goes out every weekend to get together with a group of friends who are also
passionate about the same recreation, who collect information and do
research and have vocal discussions/arguments with people of opposing
views, who spend lots of money following their recreation, and enjoy it
immensely.
What am I talking about? No, not a gamer. YI'm talking about your average
sports fan.
Think about that.
JS
---
If you listen to the mainstream--you should either be watching the idiot
box or playing golf. "nuff said.
Whenever I get the "So, do you play golf?" question at work, I usually reply,
"No. I paint metal miniature figures, then use them in conflict simulation."
At that point, I usually get a blank look.
Rob
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> >> Lachy is always keen to play now and it seems to have really helped
Absolutely!
Wargaming is a great educational tool. When I first started it improved my
reading skills and my maths skills.
If only my teachers had explained why I was being taught about probability and
percentages at the time I might of paid more attention.:)
Maths would of been much more interesting if the questions were like: "If a
class 3 vehicle with class 2 armour costs 21 points how much would the same
vehicle cost with class 3 armour?"
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:34:31 -0500
Hi George,
you hit it exactly! do and learn things as a family. it also builds character
(the parents too). not only do we learn, but gaming builds our mutual
relationship. to our family, building character and relationships has priority
over academic gain. it's a far cry better than the household
co-existing and not interacting.
> On Thu, 22 February 2001, "Jeremy Sadler" wrote:
> What am I talking about? No, not a gamer. YI'm talking about your
As anyone who has seen me in my Toronto Argonauts t-shirts (and, yes, I
do NOT just have Argos garments), the two aren't necessarily mutually
exclusive. In fact, a fellow gamer (mostly roleplaying, though he played a lot
of board games and some minis when he was younger) is one of the most
knowledgeable fans of the Canadian Football League that I've ever seen.
Growing up in Calgary will do that to you...
It's a matter of what's mainstream and what's not. In fact, everyone tends to
chuckle at everyone else. I mean, the fact that the term "mundane" exists
shows that no one is immune. Football fans are considered "normal" in society,
and yet there are plenty of people who point and laugh at them (mostly hockey
fans! *L*). Or soccer. I'm a soccer fan living in Canada. I get weird looks.
Mind you, I stare at them and say, "Soccer. 5.5 billion people can't be
wrong!" *L*
An anecdote from the World Science Fiction Convention in Winnipeg in '94
(roundly considered one of the worst run Worldcons, by the way...). We
(as in me and a bunch of friends -- including the above mentioned CFL
fan -- were sitting in an outdoor cafe. The others were all writers,
though technically I am one too. As we sat there, people in "plastic
foreheads" (Trekkies) walked by. The table beside us were locals who were, a)
sort of laughing at them, b) happy to see money coming into Winnipeg, c)
having a conversation with us.
As we watched, a guy drove by in his muscle car. He must have spent a small
fortune on it. He honked his horn. It sounded like a moose. My friend Michael,
the CFL fan, turned to the other table and said something to the effect that,
"It's ironic, though, that people in costumes are considered weird, and
somoene like THAT," he points to the car, "is considered normal."
They didn't get it.
To each his own. Humans tend to cluster into subcommunities and subcultures.
Usually at many different levels and in many different ways. This tendency has
brought us hatred, racism, patriotism, community, charity, and friendship.
It's natural, and we can't do much about it.
We all just have to learn to accept that everyone has different interests, and
that everyone is equal. Except for "Dr. Who" fans. What's THAT about!
*Grin*
---
Maths would of been much more interesting if the questions were like: "If a
class 3 vehicle with class 2 armour costs 21 points how much would the same
vehicle cost with class 3 armour?"
---
NOW we're talking real world use for maths!:)
JS
---
<snip> As we watched, a guy drove by in his muscle car. He must have spent a
small fortune on it. He honked his horn. It sounded like a moose. My friend
Michael, the CFL fan, turned to the other table and said something to the
effect that, "It's ironic, though, that people in costumes are considered
weird, and somoene like THAT," he points to the car, "is considered normal."
<snip>
Which is exactly my point. Well said.:)
I'm a media science fiction fan and while I don't do the costumes anymore
(yes, I did once!) I still go to conventions, though more in my publishing
role than as a fan. Watching news reports and listening to "the populace"
talk, you'd think sci-fi fans were all a bunch of nuts. Especially the
ones done up in costume.
But every weekend I see thousands of people march off to the football
stadium, done up in their team colours - bodies, faces, butts painted,
draped in scarves etc. And that's considered normal by the "mainstream".
Fortunately, I've never really paid that much attention to the "mainstream".
:)
JS
---
> --- Jeremy Sadler <webmaster@stargrunt.com> wrote:
...
> What am I talking about? No, not a gamer. YI'm
I have noticed the 'ability' of sports fans to use the word 'WE' when the team
wins! As if without the effort of the fan the team would have lost. At least
when a gamer says 'we won', it is true.
Bye for now,
In a message dated 2/21/01 11:02:49 PM Central Standard Time,
> siefertma@wauknet.com writes:
> Although my Dad is somewhat religious, and pretty conservative, he is
(BTW,
> he's my mother's brother, not my father's.) Unlike my Uncle, Dad
It might be interesting and further your understanding to ask him to explain
"why" he feels the way he does. Encourage a dispassionate discussion but get
to the why. If he can express it, perhaps he will sense its irrelevance in the
long run. He never will, if he does not understand the "why" of his feelings,
and he surely won't analyze it for himself. Given that that fails, I would
encourage him to choose whatever he likes to read as long as he will extend
the same right to others. If not, then coldly ignoring his "daggers" is the
best route to family peace AND getting your own back in the process.
Scott (who is NOT your uncle to my best knowledge)
G'day guys,
Jon asked:
> How old are your two now, Beth?
Lachy is 7 and Janneke is 4.
Phil said:
> Over the years (it all started when
My Lachy's the same! He's made up a terrific biology, psychology, technology,
history and government system for his Sa'Vasku (actually the
DOR....Destroyer of Races....not actually that mean just don't piss them
off!). As he's getting older he's moving into SG and its the UNSC he's after
there.
> one of his primary school teachers....she
Now that sounds familiar! I don't think I'll forget the look On Lachy's
teacher's face when he took his Fleetbook to school (handdrawn one of all the
"stats" for the races he'd made up) she was impressed that he'd made
the effort (he's dyslexic so having something that inspires him to want to
draw and write is terrific), but was a little confused as to the content
;)
Have fun
Beth
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:14:29 -0800 (PST), John Leary
<john_t_leary@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I have noticed the 'ability' of sports fans
And in some stadia and arenas, that's actually true. The "home field
advantage" is small, but it's there. Consider it a positive morale bonus! *L*
In SG2 terms, maybe not a die shift in quality die, but perhaps a TL-1.
*L*
From: "Brian Burger" <yh728@victoria.tc.ca>
To: <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
> > Ok, I missed it. Train spotter? Ok, just tell me where FAQ is...
Well... I stopped trainspotting when the last Steam locos were retired. My
wife didn't.
From: "Ground Zero Games" <jon@gzg.com>
> Generally, a true "Trainspotter" not only spots trains, but writes
From: <Popeyesays@aol.com>
> And the immemorial question arises "What Colour Is Your Anorak?"
> Absender: aebrain@dynamite.com.au
19th or 20th century?
;-)
At work when they ask me that I usually say something like: "I play with
toys...toy solgers on the floor..." Then I have to explain that its a form of
game...
Donald Hosford
> "Robert W. Hofrichter" wrote:
> If you listen to the mainstream--you should either be watching the
I have relatives like that...the entire mother's side...oy!
After getting admonished for my "waste of time" hobbies. I sat right there and
said:
"Too many peaple these days seem to think that once we grow up, we have to
give up all the fun in our lives and be boaring. I allways thought that God
wanted us to be happy. This is how I have fun. I play games. Some with toys.
And I am going to keep on doing it until I am too old to think straight."
At that point, they all laughed...good laughter...I said it with a conviction
that I think I surprized them a little... Now I have no problem. They just
don't bring up my hobbies.
Donald Hosford
> Allan Goodall wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:10:48 +1100, Beth Fulton
> Donald Hosford wrote:
And I am
> going to keep on doing it until I am too old to think straight."
You da man! Excellent answer!
I think I'll be playing til I can't think straight. And maybe after I can't
think straight. That is also a good military simulation given some historical
officers and military commanders.
Besides, I'd still have some chance against some players I know! :-)
Thanks.
Makes me glad to know someone else has the same "bent" of mind....8-D
Donald Hosford
> Jon Davis wrote:
> Donald Hosford wrote:
> > Nicely said. My 14 year-old daughter plays in our regular D&D game,
> What a good attitude. Several of our D&D'ers participate as husband &
My daughter had her first FT game Saturday, and proceeded to humble us all! In
the first battle, there were four players, each with a cruiser, in a
basic cruiser free-for-all. My daughter proceeded to get on the tail of
another ship, and stuck like glue! None of us could shake her from our ships.
She ended the game unscathed!
IN the second scenario, we did teams. She still ended up unscathed! I wish I
could put it up to beginners luck, though on one particularly lucky shot with
two class two beams, she rolled three sixes, then on those three sixes rolled
two more sixes, then rolled another six from there, and a final six from
there.....the receiving player was not happy....I'm glad she was on my team
for that one!
Another Teske Field!
-----
Brian Bell bkb@beol.net
-----
> -----Original Message-----
I
> wish
***
My daughter had her first FT game Saturday, and proceeded to humble us all!
***
Hearty congratulations to your daughter! Impressive that she could figure how
you were twisting and turning!
Using FTII or FB manuvering? If FB, which cruiser was she flying?
My own daughter, Megan, recently turned twenty, never enjoyed most of the
games I play. However, while tagging along to conventions, she discovered her
interest in vampire lore dovetailed nicely with White Wolf's RPG.
At GenCons, where our hotel room is shared and tends toward overfull, she and
I can hotbed, as I run around during the day, and she LARPs all night.
;->=
I still think if I had ever gotten that story done, she might have tried FT a
bit more. I wonder if the new FMA skirmish will lend itself to a vampire
hunt...
The_Beast
-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon
One World, one Web, one Program - Microsoft promotional ad
> ***
It was actually kinda eary, almost like she read our minds. No matter how we
turned, she managed to be there....we finally checked her plots to make sure
she was doing it right.....and she was....
She did the same thing in the second game, but thankfully she was on my team
then.
> Using FTII or FB manuvering? If FB, which cruiser was she flying?
I was using FB, but non-standard. This was a Trek game, we were both in
Fed Heavy Cruisers, Thrust 6. However she also did it to the guy flying the
Miranda and the guy flying the Klingon D7...
> My own daughter, Megan, recently turned twenty, never enjoyed most of
Thats convenient!
George
> stranger wrote:
I read somewhere that wargames and RPGs are excellent ways to train young
children to use ESP.
> stranger wrote:
Actually, I think she gets it form my wife, who can call her dice rolls with
about 90% accuracy...its hell playing Monopoly with her....she says its her
scotch-Irish background....IN the 15+ years we've been married (and
playing RPG's) she's only lost like 2 characters....
> on 2/27/01 9:13, stranger at stranger@cvn.net wrote:
> Actually, I think she gets it form my wife, who can call her dice
Now you've gone and done it. The black suits are sure to be knocking on
your door about "private" schooling for your offspring. ;-)
> scotch-Irish background
Just as a warning, folks who live there would point out that scotch is a
drink. It's Scot-Irish, or if you're wanting to hear even more whinging,
Scotish-Irish. ;->=
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:54:38 -0600, devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> Just as a warning, folks who live there would point out that scotch is
*L* As a SCOT, I will point out that scotch is a drink, a broth, an egg, or a
hop. It's not a person. *L*
And "Scots-Irish" is probably the proper term. ;-)
> >Just as a warning, folks who live there would point out that scotch
You're probably right, I'm sure that most of the colloquialisms these
Pennsylvanians use aren't correct, however, around here, they all pronounce
it Scotch-Irish. Not like the tape I imagine. : ) Anyways, I've had to
adapt, since I'm not from around here, because I sure don't aim to argue wif
no mountain man 'bout his her'tige.
*g*
> stranger wrote:
No, but she does have the freckles!
> I wonder if the new FMA skirmish will lend itself to a vampire
Sounds like an easy conversion to me. Replace Aliens with vamps, and give them
the ability to
automatically "recruit" captives. (8-0
- Sam