Cammo was: girl soldiers

11 posts ยท Jan 8 2002 to Jan 10 2002

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:11 +0100

Subject: Cammo was: girl soldiers

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From: Jeremey Claridge <jeremy.claridge@k...>

Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:13:41 +0000 (GMT)

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

> Well, it just means that have to get your chemist to deliver a paint

Oh is that all, I've got a beginners guide to chemistry here somewhere. I'll
get to work:)

From: Robin Paul <Robin.Paul@t...>

Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:11:22 -0000

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

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From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:17:41 +1100

Subject: RE: Cammo was: girl soldiers

G'day,

> Well, it just means that have to get your chemist to deliver

I thought the whole point of cammo was that it broke the outline up not
necessarily matched the background perfectly anyway, so it'd have to be a
combo of colours and shapes etc. This is especially true when you consider the
range of "coloured sight" in humans, let alone when you try to think about
what other animals (and potentially aliens) see. For instance beyond the
standard range of "normal coloured sight", UV sensitive, colour blind people,
you get people like Lachy who are hue blind. Lachy can see green, except for
certain hues which look grey or just blend in with any surrounding green (so
light green on dark green background is impossible for him to see). End result
is that when playing with his "cheap plastic green and grey soldiers" he has
to inspect their uniforms to see if they're friend or foe;)

> Or even better, a chameleon skin the can also fully imitate

Not as weird as it sounds the skins of octopus can go from perfectly smooth to
spikey resembling sea urchins, to rough resembling rocks etc. They've also
figured out that by using colours and shapes they can change what they look
like. For instance I've seen octopus go from pretending to be a rock to an
urchin to a flat fish to a seasnake to a piece of seaweed to a stingray all in
under 5 minutes <it REALLY didn't want to have its DNA sampled
;)>
and each of these was a fairly good match.

Cheers

From: Daryl Lonnon <dlonnon@f...>

Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:10:31 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

> G'day,

A little aside,

Apparently, if your female and carry one color blind gene, there's a chance
you pick up a fourth color receptor (as opposed to the lowly three normal
humans get). It allows you to pick out more variations in color.

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:32:00 -0800

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

> I thought the whole point of cammo was that it broke the outline up not

Actually, in both nature and man-made camo, CMIIR, there are a variety
of different Camo forms and functions. Beth mentioned octopus camo, many of
it's relatives, notably the Cuttlefish, have similar abilities. There are fish
and insects that resemble twigs. Zebra camo, among other things, DOES break up
the silhouette of the animal, so that a zebra herd looks like one mass of
zebra, not individual animals. Bit stripes also resemble grass and shadows.
Many deer species have spotted young or even adults, and the spots look like
dappled sunlight, adding to the camo. In human camo, there have been many
variants that worked in different ways. A Ghillie suit definitely
does more than break up the silhouette - it looks like foliage.  At one
time, prior to the advancement of ground radar and UV/IR sighting, there

were experiments with a form of camo where vehicles were fitted with very
powerful lights. On a bright day, in the far distance, they were
indistinguishable from the ambient sunlight. A friend, father of the Oitjuan,
told me of a "Cloaking" suit being worked on that he saw in a TV show. The
suit wasmade up of thousands of tiny cameras and monitors, each monitor
showing the view from a camera opposite it on the wearer's body
-
effectively "Bending" light around the person. He said it was surprisingly
effective.  I suppose the "Camo/stealth/cloaking" technologies in the
future
will be varied and many.  Makes for interesting PSB/flavor for each
gameworld/background....

From: Jeremey Claridge <jeremy.claridge@k...>

Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:45:18 +0000 ()

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

> You could just issue sticky uniforms and get the squaddies to roll in

What's worrying is that actually sounds like a good idea:)

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:20:46 +1100

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

> At 09:45 9/01/02 +0000, Jeremey wrote:

> > You could just issue sticky uniforms and get the squaddies to roll

Until someone rolls in some dung left by some accommodating animal:)

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:54:58 -0500

Subject: Re[2]: Cammo was: girl soldiers

Let's see, what else can go wrong with this...

The adhesive picks up a biological agent, or a tracer element seeded by the
enemy to assist passive detection scanners.

Some wise-ass rolls in flowers then walks into cover in the woods.

Some soldiers find out they're allergic to whatever they rolled in.

Lt.s find themselve with targets stuck to their backs, literally.

Troops getting reprimanded back at garrison for being late for morning
formations... "I swear Sgt, I just leaned up against the wall and got stuck!"

Troops mis-using the uniforms like those Velcro-suits on letterman.

Black/Gray market for the sticky-suits in the BDSM sub-culture...

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:56:51 EST

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

Derek! Scent cammo!

It's natural, it's expected and it defeats the rare "Nasal Detection Tech'
deployed by the IF!

"Relax, Omar, it's just a wild camel!"

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:20:46 +1100 Derek Fulton
<derekfulton@bigpond.com> writes:
> At 09:45 9/01/02 +0000, Jeremey wrote:

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:05:09 -0800

Subject: Re: Cammo was: girl soldiers

I know that scent camo is important in hunting, and I've heard stories from
Vietnam regarding scent and it's effects on stealth. Might make for some
interesting background material....

Brian B2

> From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com>