California/Texas secession

> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:18:11PM +0000, agoodall@att.net wrote:

> ObGZG: Hmm... having trouble thinking of any, other than perhaps

A combination of "we're not the East Coast" and "we have a significant
economic base", I think...

R

> In a message dated 3/9/04 9:23:32 AM EST, roger@firedrake.org writes:

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> ObGZG: Hmm... having trouble thinking of any, other than perhaps

> [quoted text omitted]
One thing definitely unites California and Texas - they both have a huge

Latin American population - that and Native Americans. You don't want to
create another Mexico of course, but having a bilingual Canadianish similarity
might be a point to pivot around, Or you might postulate it as a backlash
against

Latin Culture takenover, Might those suggestions help>\?
Regards,

Scott

Goodall:
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> ObGZG: Hmm... having trouble thinking of any, other than perhaps
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While hispanic culture is a possibility, and money has ALWAYS walked, both
join much larger areas than just those states. I think the idea tends to be,
focus less on the direct participants, and more on the millieu. Outside forces
have made stranger bedfellows.

Also, the doyens of Orange County and Houston/Dallas-Ft Worth have much
more in common, and raw power, than they'd like you to know. And both just
like being BIG. Shame about that Alaska thing...

The_Beast

I always imagine the "Uniting Factor" for Free Cal/Tex would be a
massive resentment toward "foreign" rule and a yearning for the days when they
were
sovereign states.  Of course, whether the right-wing Texans, and the
left-wing Californians can get along with each other is a different
question.

Later, Mark A. Siefert

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> The Beast wrote:

> Also, the doyens of Orange County and Houston/Dallas-Ft Worth have

You have a good point there. Of course the obvious connection is the hispanic
population, which is big in both states. That could be a uniting factor. Also,
Austin is fairly liberal, and has a large computer geek population. There
wouldn't be much friction between Austin and San
Francisco/Oakland/San Jose. On the other hand, you have the rest of the
Texas population which has much more in common with Arkansas and Louisiana.
Maybe Texas splits on its own and California asks to join it in an economic
union that is made more permanent later on. I can't see Texas asking to join
up with California. Texas will stay in the union or go it alone.

> Mark A. Siefert wrote:

> I always imagine the "Uniting Factor" for Free Cal/Tex would be a

I think you have it.

When martial law was declared in the US following the economic collapse,

I imagine that both Texas and California seceded from the united states.

They probably formed a pact for mutual protection during the civil war and
subsequent rule by the Anglican Federation. This pact likely evolved

into the CalTex government of GZG.

I think you have it.

When martial law was declared in the US following the economic collapse, I
imagine that both Texas and California seceded from the united states. They
probably formed a pact for mutual protection during the civil war and
subsequent rule by the Anglican Federation. This pact likely evolved into the
CalTex government of GZG.

Another point that people are over looking is the mobility of the current
American population. People move where the jobs are and we bring our families,
which would tend to change at least somewhat the area they moved to. I'm from
New York as are my kids (more or less) my wife is from Korea, and we live in
central Texas. We are not rare, it's happening to the entire US population to
one degree or other. By the time the CalTex government is formed who knows
what the make up of the population of both states will be.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:10:21 -0600 "Mark A. Siefert"
<siefertma@wi.rr.com> writes:
> I always imagine the "Uniting Factor" for Free Cal/Tex would be a

Maybe they don't and there is a strong and fertile ground for political
'dabbling' by various powers  in Cal_Tex affairs.

> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:29:23 +0000 agoodall@att.net writes:

Maybe Alaskan Oil Money payrolls Texas leaving... <grin>

> You have a good point there. Of course the obvious connection is the

And Orange County?

Maybe Texas splits on its own and California
> asks to join it in an economic union that is made more permanent later

One word - Confederation.  The Confederation of Cal-Tex???  LOL!

Gracias,

> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:47:15 -0600 "Don M" <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> writes:
<snip> By the time the CalTex government
> is
No more jibes about "Fruits and Nuts"?

No more jibes about "Fruits and Nuts"?

LOL, demographic changes wont fix everything you know......)

Ahem.

You forgot 'flakes' thank you very much! We are the Granola State after

all..

> warbeads@juno.com wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:47:15 -0600 "Don M" <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> writes:

Actually, a confederation leaves a lot of wiggle room for various
"communities" under the same flag. You could have everything from
California hippie communes, Texan bible-belt freeholds, and various
enclaves in between all united for mutual protection.

Later, Mark A. Siefert

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Alo bear in mind, that (modern day) if California broke off from the US,

it would have the world's fifth largest economy. That's a pretty strong drive
for independence right there.

-P.

Well, as a native son of a native daughter of California (born in '...Rural
Los Angeles City...' on birth certificate) I had to leave something to share
with you! What if I had used ALL the cliches?

Gracias, Glenn

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:34:55 -0800 Michael Llaneza
> <maserati@earthlink.net> writes:

> When martial law was declared in the US following the economic

A minor point here (and this is a really minor point...) - it is
"Anglian", not "Anglican".

NAC = New Anglian Confederation

The "New Anglican Confederation" might make for an interesting alternative
setting, or maybe someone's personal stellar power or something. A
church-run state whose head is the Monarch of the New Anglian
Confederation...

And what about all those poor Episcopalians....

New Episcopalian Confederation? The NEC? They also make monitors...:)

Never mind.

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Well, as a native son of a native daughter of California (born in '...Rural
Los Angeles City...' on birth certificate) I had to leave something to share
with you! What if I had used ALL the cliches?

Gracias, Glenn

I think Californians get a bad rap due to geography, they have no more flakes
and nuts than anyone else. It's just theirs are concentrated on certain fault
lines......)

> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 06:02:32PM -0500, Adrian Johnson wrote:

The FSE would be Catholic, of course; ESU Russian Orthodox; and presumably NSL
would be Lutherans.

R

And the religious majority of FCT? Let's hear some ideas!

Gracias,

Ideal for home or planetary defense.

> Adrian Johnson wrote:

> New Episcopalian Confederation? The NEC? They also make monitors...
:)
> Never mind.

> Roger wrote:

> The FSE would be Catholic, of course; ESU Russian Orthodox; and

Doesn't the ESU include China? If that's the case, the number of Buddhists
would vastly outnumber the Russian Orthodox population. That's assuming that
it doesn't drop back to communist roots and become an officially athiestic
state.

> Glenn wrote:

> And the religious majority of FCT? Let's hear some ideas!

I'd imagine that the majority would be Catholic if the influx of Hispanic
people continues, and that's one of the things that brings Texas and
California together.

Texas would have a substantial evangelical protestant minority, mostly from
the southern segment of the Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian churches. I'm
not sure how this would jive with Southern California culture. Perhaps the
formation of the FCT occurs during one of the periods in U.S. history when
there is more emphasis in maintaining a division between Church and State.

Of course, if you want to have some real fun, give the FCT a state religion
based on some weird amalgam of evangelical christianity and Scientology. When
the KV, SV, and Phalons are finally discovered, the religion can either jump
up and try to embrace them, or say, "See, I told you so!"

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:23:51 +0000 agoodall@att.net writes:
<snip>
> Of course, if you want to have some real fun, give the FCT a state