Does anyone have some stats for the liberator and the federation pursuit ships
?
Also does anyone know of a source of miniatures?
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> Does anyone have some stats for the liberator and the federation
Tricky, as the writers didn't give a damn about consitency or science and the
FX had next to zero budget.
Liberator: Big. Fast, B7 especially the early seasons didn't really
distinguish between FTL and sub-light drives so it's hard to judge
whether the Liberator should have high thrust or not. Force fields of
some type - maybe FT standard Screens, maybe something borrowed from
one of the Trek adaptations. Neutron Blaster - big (B3 or B4) forward
firing beams. Cargo holds. Superior Sensors (especially if Orac's on board).
Pursuit Ships: Small. Fast. Forward firing plasma bolt weaponry (FT pulse torp
or small Phalon plasma bolt?).
Do you have the B7 Tech Manual produced by the Blake's 7 Appreciation
Society? http://www.horizon.org.uk/
I'll have a look through mine tonight and see if I can come up with some
stats.
> Also does anyone know of a source of miniatures ?
The old Corgi die-cast Liberators must be worth a fortune by now.
Mine got rather battered and, um, chewed. :-(
No i dont have the manual but i have found an online pedia
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/whoswho/index.html
I thought small fast phalons with class 1 plasma bolt launchers
and some sort of Sa'vasku for the Liberator, possibly an overpowered BB
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> > Also does anyone know of a source of miniatures ?
I have a white metal Liberator which I picked up in the Manchester Model Shop
but I can't remember the manafacturer, all I can remember is that I also got a
2001 shuttle and 2 Space 1999 eagles as well from the same source.
http://www.manchestermodelshop.co.uk/ (which has got to be one of the
most pointless web precences going, more like a web abscence)
I think they were from
Comet Miniatures
44-48 Lavender Hill
London SW11 5RH United Kingdom
phone: +44(0)20 7228 3702
fax: +44(0)20 7924 1005
but that they are now OOP.
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> steve@pugh.net wrote:
> > Does anyone have some stats for the liberator and the federation
Actually, the 'Starburst' class Pursuit ships were almost as big as the
Liberator (in 'Dual' we get a reasonable comparison of sizes as Liberator
almost rams one - I don't recall ever seeing the two ship types
together in any other shop).
> Do you have the B7 Tech Manual produced by the Blake's 7 Appreciation
Well, there were the old Comet Mini-Metals, but they are currently out
of production - Comet _may_ bring them back, possibly.
> > Liberator: Big.
True, reading the fan tech manual last night I saw that they had listed the
pursuit ship at just over half the length of the Liberator. Of course they
give both lengths in millispacials rather than meters...
But the pursuit ships 'feel' small compared to the Liberator. :-p
> (in 'Dual' we get a reasonable comparison of sizes as
Two ships in one shot? Don't be silly that would have used up the FX budget
for the entire series!
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 10:40:48AM +0100, steve@pugh.net wrote:
According to an interview in SF&FModeller a few years back, B7 was given the
same special effects budget as the show it replaced: unfortunately that was a
police drama and hence the effects budget for series one was 50 quid an
episode... Hence: There are six federation
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> steve@pugh.net wrote:
> > > Liberator: Big.
Ok, if anyone's interested - from "The Horizon Blakes 7 Technical
Manual" and have your NaCl at the ready... :-)
MASS 436,210 tons Overall Length: 24.84 mSP (Millispacials) Overall Height:
13.22 mSP Overall Breadth: 14.55 mSP
Scaling from the Crew Deck Plan (with a scale of 30' to 37.5mm, or 1' to
1.25mm) the overall crew hull width is 188' at its widest end (listed as
175' in the doco. - presumably thats internal dimensions).
Using the overall Internal layout plan, the crew section is 15.5mm at its
widest end, so the scale is 188' to 15.5mm, or about 12.13' to 1 mm.
On the same diagram, the hull length (not including the forward probe is
216mm, or 2,619' 10.5" (798.5 m), with the probe, the overall length is 247mm,
or 2995' 10.5" (913.1 m)
On the largest plan (with the "Millispacials" scale), the overall length
is 305.5mm, so the scale is 9' 9 2/3" to 1 mm, or 1:2989.
1 millispacial = 14.2mm = 42,443.9mm, or 42.44m or 139.25'
Given the accuracy of my measuring, say 1 mSP = 140' or 42.67m (bit odd)
Comparing the dimensions quoted above, the scale is more like 1 mSP to 120' or
36.75m.
Checking by Height: measured is 185mm, scales to 553m,
so 1mSP = 41.8m - closer, I guess the probe is probably truncated.
So, 1mSP = 140' or 42.67m
Length = 3,477' 7" or 1060m (about two-thirds of a mile)
Height = 1,850' 9.5" or 564m Breadth = 2,037' or 621m
> From the tonnage, she'd be 436 MASS to be 'in scale' with Fleet Book
> But the pursuit ships 'feel' small compared to the Liberator. :-p
Starburst Class
MASS (none listed) (say about 100) Overall Length: 11.98 mSP (1,677' or 511m)
Overall Height: 5.10 mSP (714' or 217.6m) Overall Breadth: 7.68 mSP (1,075' or
327.7m)
Ok, about half the Liberator's length, but with a proportionally shorter
probe. And there's a command variant too (don't remember that from the show!)
Supreme Command HQ Overall diameter: 161.5 mSP (4.28 miles or 6.89 km) Overall
Height: 18.4 mSP (2,576' or 785m)
from this drawing, the Pursuit Ships in the SCHQ hanger are 212m long -
obviously a smaller, version
The ubiquitous Class 16 Transport Ship (Prison Ship 'London' et. al.)
Unladen Mass: 2,972 tons (MASS 15) Overall Length: 179.5' (54.7m) Overall
Height: 82' (25m) Overall Breadth: 114.8' (35m)
Six variants are listed.
Scorpio (Wanderer II Class) was:
Unladen Mass: 4,752 tons (MASS 24) Overall Length: 337' (102.7m) Overall
Height: 114' (34.75m) Overall Breadth: 140' (42.67m)
Spaceworld Patrol Ship ('Little Liberators')
Scaling from the diagram gives:
Overall Length: 16.9 mSP (2,366' or 721m) Overall Height: 3.9 mSP (546' or
166.4m) Overall Breadth: 3.95 mSP (553' or 168.5m)
MASS isn't given, say about 40-45
Ships I haven't got details are include:
Numerous alien ships cargo ships, passenger ships, and, of course;
The Supreme Empress Command Ship (Season 3) Commissioner Sleer's Ship (Season
4)
> > (in 'Dual' we get a reasonable comparison of sizes as
> Two ships in one shot? Don't be silly that would have used up the FX
Maybe it did :-)
From: <steve@pugh.net>
> The old Corgi die-cast Liberators must be worth a fortune by now.
Mine's almost pristine - got it as a gift when I donated an Epic