From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:34:02 -0400
Subject: big ships
> David wrote: I don't know much about the Canadian navy, but if they were working on a class of ship they're used to working on, and they weren't trying to do anything they hadn't done before, then I don't think size would have that much to do with their overruns. [Tomb] You'd think that. But as I said, ship construction is a continuing affair. You make it sound like you issue a design and it gets built. Each one (or each small run if you're building small ships) tends to vary from the last and incoroporate design changes, engineering improvements, bug fixes, and sometimes some new bugs. Often that means that you never really get full cookie-cutter production underway. If you end up with a major Shipalt, (Shipboard Alternation), then you can have a significant production delay and cost increase. Additionally, your point above about cost overruns not always being technical in nature doesn't exactly remove the point. If you construct a large vessel, you involve more hands. Each one looks at the larger project and says "Hmmm, I can bury more profit in this one because its so big". Plus you get the inefficiencies of scale (and there are a lot of those). This pork barrelling, profit taking, and sometimes just recouping of costs lost low-balling on other contracts is one factor that helps drive up the cost of larger projects. Plus empire building goes on in larger project teams. Allan made good hard-data points about modern ship construction costs. If you don't think that things will be the same in 200 years, do what you want to do. Just realize your universe will favour the construction of supervessels. Costs being the same per mass (or cheaper), the combat efficacy of large vessels will make them the choice. You can do this, it's your game:) Sometimes a hammer costs $150 because it has been tested 13 ways from sideways, it floats, it won't ever break, it resists corrosion, it meets MilStd-1111A and 1111B, it can be used as an emergency close combat weapon and also as a splint. Sometimes it is because the military procurement bureaucracy runs on its own set of rules and these methods increase the cost of a good without increasing its capacities. The toilet seat on the Admiral's private can aboard the CVN is probably no more functional than that in the Other Ranks communal can aboard a DD, but I'd bet it ends up costing more. No "technical" reason for it, but plenty of political, business, and organizational reasons.