Beer crates, again...

29 posts ยท Jul 28 2002 to Aug 1 2002

From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:19:56 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Beer crates, again...

Tweaked my industrial card scenery again - added those glue tabs to the
newest sheet (Sheet 4), and added a new cube design to Sheet 3.

Oh, and someone actually took me up on my tongue-in-cheek offer of
faux-immortality via my scenery, so there's a newly designed small crate
on Sheet 4 as well.

Also wanted to say: Germ, if you want to use any of those small signs of mine
in your scenery, go ahead.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:25:29 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Brian Burger <yh728@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:

> Oh, and someone actually took me up on my

Heh. But I made first cut on the beer crates.

*Preens*

God, it's nice being a Legend.

From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:31:14 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, John Atkinson wrote:

Oh merde, I may have done something very dangerous.

Mr.Atkinson's ego is about to hit critical mass!

<cue Monty Python voice>Run away! Run awaaaay!</voice>

> (And if ya'll can't figure out that's tongue in cheek,

Likewise,

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:36:43 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

John
> > Heh. But I made first cut on the beer crates.

<g> it can't be *that* exclusive a neighborhood, they let me in....

But we're okay as long as the manifest doesn't have 666 crates for

From: Jason Weiser <atlas7d@e...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:42:33 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

Oh Damn, First, Frank Frey on the Twilight 2000 WebRPG NG Buckles his swash,
again..(Took out most of Southern FL with that one), and now John Atkinson's
ego is reaching critical mass..

That's IT! I am tired of these Personality Traits of Mass Destruction (PTMD).
Can't you people be happy simply driving us crazy? Why kill millions with a
mistimed display of ego or a midlife crisis?

Oh, the Humanity;)

    Jason

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From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:24:34 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Laserlight wrote:

> John

If someone really wants to print, cut out & fold up 666 fiddly, tiny crates,
then they've *worked* for their Armageddon!:>

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:40:19 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

From: "Jason Weiser" <atlas7d@rcn.com>
> now John Atkinson's ego is reaching critical mass..

<GRIN> That actually happened quite a while ago, he's been playing the NRE for
years. I don't recall most of the titles of the Byzantine emperors but they
boil down to "Rightful Ruler of All Mankind and God's Regent on Earth."

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:58:18 -0500

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

Well we will see how big that ego is today! We have a commando SGII scenario
where John's NRE have to take out an IFED airfield.

Don

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:32:34 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> Well we will see how big that ego is today!

If you feel the NRE are walking over the IF too easily, you can
change them from [FP2x10+d8 SAW + D12 AGL]  to [FP3x8 + 2 SAWs and 2
AGL], which gives you double the firepower for the same size squad.

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:00:29 -0500

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

Good thoughts but no pre-registered artillery as the IFED have
no idea that ground troops are there (other than local dissidents) There are
plenty of other items for the NRE to worry about.

Gun towers, bunkers, and mines...Oh my!....)

> If you feel the NRE are walking over the IF too easily, you can

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:38:00 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net> wrote:

Avtocrator is the official Greek translation of Augustus, and the semantically
correct translation would be "Sole Rightful Ruler of Man".

But I hardly ever sign correspondance that way.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Jason Weiser <atlas7d@rcn.com> wrote:

> That's IT! I am tired of these Personality Traits

If this is a midlife crisis, I'm going to die young.

Of course, my joke is that if I ever come down with a disease like cancer, I'm
not waiting for treatment. I'm going to Constantinople and blow those verdammt
minarets off, then hoist the double-headed eagle on
the Theodosian Walls.

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:39:34 -0700

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

I think the list of things John is not allowed to do in the US Army would
prove more interesting than Skippy's List.

http://www.skippyslist.com/

> John Atkinson wrote:

> Avtocrator is the official Greek translation of

From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:19:23 +0100

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 12:42:33AM -0400, Jason Weiser wrote:

Sounds painful. Are you sure he wasn't swashing his buckler?

From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Michael Llaneza wrote:

> I think the list of things John is not allowed to do in the US Army

This has come up here before, but I'd forgotten about it - which gave me
a chance to laugh myself sick again! Thanks!

Hey John, you're squad-mates with Skippy, right? :>

(There's several references on Skippy's List to Wiccan/pagan stuff -
usually rules like "No dancing 'skyclad' around...". Didn't I read
somewhere, a few years ago, that the US Army had authorized/allowed
Wiccan
rites on base - freedom of religion and all that?)

Brian - yh728@victoria.tc.ca -
- http://wind.prohosting.com/~warbard/games.html -

> John Atkinson wrote:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lincolnconspiracy/commi
ssionorder.html
> [quoted text omitted]

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:19:06 -0700

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

I think Skippy is squad mates with John :-)

And for the whole Wicca thing, I suspect if Skippy had been practicing more
than just the 'skyclad' part he'd be allowed that.

Hmmm... topic, topic, topic..

Aha. I actually wrote up a Pagan group for Traveller a few years ago. It's
still somewhere on the Net.

> Brian Burger wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Michael Llaneza wrote:

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Brian Burger <yh728@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:

> Hey John, you're squad-mates with Skippy, right? :>

This is not the first time I've been accused of that.
. .

> (There's several references on Skippy's List to

Yes. As a matter of fact, I played a regular card game with most of the coven
back on Montieth. There is a pretty good overlap between gamers and pagans, to
include my roommate.:) They don't do it skyclad, and there's a running gun
battle between most pagans and their commanders over athames (big knives are
generally required to be kept in the arms room), but other than that and petty
(and illegal) harassment Wiccans have as much freedom of religion as anyone
else.

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:40:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> At 10:21 AM -0700 7/30/02, John Atkinson wrote:

???? Montieth? Is this a base? That's my sept name that I get from my great
grandfather.

> is a pretty good overlap between gamers and pagans, to

And Goths for that matter. There's a fellow in a Decontamonation/chem
platoon out at Hood that you may have come across at some point.
Matt/Nywind iirc (can't recall his last name though....)

> include my roommate. :) They don't do it skyclad,

Probably not a huge deal, but given the habit for things in the arms room to
be played with by the gits that "guard" them, I'd be pretty unhappy if I were
pagan and had to keep it there.

How do they handle Sikhs in the US army? Sometimes one has to wonder if in
some contexts, a form of segregation would work out better. The British army
formed sepoys into specific units that allowed for some better unit integrity.
Especially with regards to the ghurkas. That and the uniforms were able to be
modified to conform to religious practices and habits of that cultural sub
group For example, sikhs wearing the turban like head wear, retaining a
smaller beard, and wearing their ritual knife as required.

> other than that and petty (and illegal) harassment

Since the Bob Barr related flap has died down, where does that stand now?

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

Monteith is a camp in Kosovo outside Gjilane. It's named after 1st LT Jimmie
Monteith, a platoon leader in the 1st Infantry Division who was awarded the
Medal of Honor posthumously for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above
and beyond the call of duty on 6
June 1944, near Colleville-sur-Mer, France.  As a
minor humorous note, he was a graduate of Virginia Polytechnical Institute
(Virginia Tech) and a Corps of Cadets dorm is named after him. My brother
lived in it his freshman year.

http://198.65.138.161/military/facility/camp-monteith.htm

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiib1.htm

> >is a pretty good overlap between gamers and pagans,

Ummm... there's 70,000 troops at Fort Hood. I know a couple hundred somewhat
and maybe a 100 reasonably
well.  Maybe 8-9 of those I know by their first name.
And no chemmo pukes are on that list.

> Probably not a huge deal, but given the habit for

Less that than the issue of checking it out regularly to do rituals.

> How do they handle Sikhs in the US army? Sometimes

I don't think they do. The hair thing and the big knife thing are deal
breakers.

> and the uniforms were able to be modified to conform

The turban cannot be worn under a kevlar helmet, and the beard makes it
impossible to correctly wear a protective mask.

> >other than that and petty (and illegal) harassment

Eh?

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:36:31 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> At 11:00 AM -0700 7/30/02, John Atkinson wrote:

Wow. There aren't that many Monteiths (ieths) out there. I wonder if he was a
relative of grandpa Montieth. I'd ask my mom to look into it as she was the
family geneologist, but she can't do that any
more....:-/

> Ummm. . . there's 70,000 troops at Fort Hood. I know

Heh....Some times small world syndrome does hit. It sometimes pays to ask. I
met a kid in a cafe here in Atlanta that was in town for a few hours with his
other Japanese friends. Turns out, he was from the same neighborhood that I
was living in for about 2 months in Japan back in '87. He even knew my host
family.

> The turban cannot be worn under a kevlar helmet, and

Granted. I think the Sepoys were less concerned about it back in the '40s and
before. Head protection being a relatively recent innovation back during the
great war. Still, they omitted the concerns of the use of the respirators for
WWII. I've a few pictures of Indian troops with full beards and such in the
desert fighting in North Africa or in the east.

> Eh?

Back at some point a story came out that pagans were worshiping in a field
around a bon fire at Fort Hood or some other base out west. Bob Barr thinking
he could single out a segment for some good old politically driven bashing,
started making statements about pagan's not deserving to be in the military
due to our nation's Christian foundation.

http://www.witchvox.com/xmilitary.html

He thought he had an easy target. He was very wrong. The tempest eventually
died down. I'm just wondering how it's changed. I'm curious as I have more
than a few pagan friends.

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:43:15 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> The turban cannot be worn under a kevlar helmet

IIRC the Seljuqs (and presumably others) wore turbans that were wound around
helmets. Anyone know how the Indian military does this?

From: John Sowerby <sowerbyj@f...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:45:03 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> The turban cannot be worn under a kevlar helmet, and

I know they have Sikh police officers in the UK, and they wear a turban,

with a Black and White checkered band around it, with the badge in the middle
of the turban.

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:55:43 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> At 2:45 PM -0400 7/30/02, John Sowerby wrote:

Perhaps a turban cloth made of something similar to kevlar or spectra.
Ballistic nylon perhaps?

ob GZG content: Perhaps given different designs for turban like head
protection and repirators designed to accomodate a beard of sorts would make
it into NAC and ESU uniform kits?

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:16:19 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

--- "laserlight@quixnet.net" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
wrote:
> >The turban cannot be worn under a kevlar helmet

I don't know.

If they have a good answer, they are less
uniformity-obsessed than the US Army.  Rather silly
extremes--I've seen a soldier bitched out for wearing
the wrong weight of BDUs (winters vice summers) during a ceremony.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Back at some point a story came out that pagans were

Oh. I don't think anyone gives it a second's thought. I mean, wiccans get some
flack[1] but not much more than anyone else with strong and unusual opinions.

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:25:31 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> At 3:19 PM -0700 7/30/02, John Atkinson wrote:

Given the attractiveness of some pagan women, being a pagan man could be an
inside track.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:28:19 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

*Shrug*

There's a reverse bell curve in effect.

From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> On 30-Jul-02 at 18:26, Ryan M Gill (rmgill@mindspring.com) wrote:

Around here the Pagan women are very suspicious of new male pagans as they
know it is often someone thinking that is a road to easy sex.

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:30:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Beer crates, again...

> At 10:10 AM -0400 8/1/02, Roger Books wrote:

Yes, however, they are less suspicious of nice, polite atheists that are
willing to discuss the development of western religion and the various
practices that are based on old pagan ideology and rituals.