Attitude on the UN

Speaking of the UN, what are the GZG-verse nations' (canon, non-canon,
and Byzantine) attitudes towards both the UN and its subsidiary, the UNSC? For
that matter, what's the UN's attitude about itsself?

Thanks.

> --- "Z. Lakel" <zlakel@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Speaking of the UN, what are the GZG-verse nations'

Well, since I was specifically asked, IMU:

Superpowers (Big Four) support the UN because it modertates superpower
conflict and provides them a publicly acceptable forum.

Second-Tier powers (Netherlands, Romanovs, FCT, PAU,
IC) generally consider UN the way the Big Four keep themselves the Big Four.

Minor States (SK, ScanFed, et al) like the UN because it's the only way they
have a voice.

Special Cases: New Israel is very aware that the UN has a historical
record of Anti-Semetism and just barely tolerates
them.

New Roman Empire officially considers the UN to be "An assembly of the
Barbarian Kingdoms" and forbids it's citizens from taking UN positions. The
NRE handles UN dues on a sporadic basis, based on how hard pressed they are in
other areas, and refers to the dues as "Subsidies for Misc. Barbarian States"
in it's annual budget report. NRE officially denies UN jurisdiction over NRE
territory and has fought several sharp engagements. In 2193, in response to
the UN's demand that all "colonial fleets" return to Terra to defend it, the
NRE severs relations with the UN and places all UN employees and citizens on
robotic freighters with a course set for Terra. The freighters are escorted by
Task Force Nicholas V[*], a small group built around a cruiser squadron which
has orders to place itself under the OPCON of the UNSC, but to avoid decisive
engagement and withdraw if the alternative is destruction.

UN/UNSC:  UN is both an organization and a state.
Employees of the UN and various aid organization may elect for UN citizenship.
There are UN colonies, typically small settlements on planets primarily owned
by other nations.

> Speaking of the UN, what are the GZG-verse nations' (canon,

The Alarishi Empire does not recognize the UN as a legal government. This is
partly because the UN approved of the FSE's attempts to annex the AE; partly
because the AE permits antimatter productions without requiring the UN's 73
tonnes of paperwork (hard copy, in pentuplicate) and 32 years to acquire
licenses; partly because the AE feels that anything that promotes monolithic
government over all humanity is inherently a bad thing; and partly because the
AE is not impressed with the UN's efficiency or ethics. The AE doesn't quite
forbid its sovereignities to do business with the UN but the Imperial
government expresses its disapproval in unambiguous terms. The AE are believed
to be williing to shoot at UN ships but it
hasn't ever actually happened (that anyone knows of--the loss of the
_Iberia_ was ruled to be a powerplant accident); however, IBIS
(Imperial Bureau of Intelligence and Security) and UNBOSS (UN Bureau of Secret
Services) agents tangle with each other frequently, and small infantry actions
have taken place on Cibola (or rather, these actions will take place as soon
as I get my UN units painted).

That wouldn't be the one in the red suit would it?

Michael Brown

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From: "Z. Lakel" <zlakel@tampabay.rr.com>

> Speaking of the UN, what are the GZG-verse nations' (canon, non-canon,

The OU has often been described as the "UN's catspaw in the outer reaches".
How much the OU co-operates with the UN, how much it is controlled by
the UN, these are all subjects of rumour rather than hard info.

It's thought that the OU provides "plausible deniability" to UN covert ops.
This is rather contradicted by the OU's friendly relations with the Alarishi,
who it's said have an allergy to the UN. On the gripping hand, both the IAS
and
the OU do a significant amount of long-distance exploration, and it's
difficult
to credit that the OU doesn't co-operate with the UNSC in this regard.

What *is* true is that the UN has stepped in a few times where the OU had had
its claim jumped by two of the Big Four acting together. Whether this
was out of self-interest, a desire to break up an unholy alliance, or
just to keep the peace is unknown.

OU ships regularly serve with UN squadrons - the OU being probably the
only power apart from the IAC to actually meet its treaty obligations in this
regard.

Z. Lakel schrieb:
> Speaking of the UN, what are the GZG-verse nations'

As there is very little official canon material about the UN (except the
minis), players are free to make up their own politics. A player's UN version
usually reflects the player's own attitudes towards the
real-world UN and international politics generally.

;-)

> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:08:08PM -0800, John Atkinson wrote:

> [*] 10 point question to identify, Don, Laserlight,

Well, the chap who was Pope from 1447 to 1455 seems the most obvious
candidate... strengthened the alliance between the papacy and the HRE...
Concordat of Vienna, 1448, giving Frederick the Imperial crown in return for
the Germans remaining faithful to Rome... got Felix V (last
anti-pope) to resign...

> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:

Sent only token aid to the City during the last siege.
. .

This is an old thread by now, but hey, I'm on vacation.

John @kinson said:

> Special Cases:

I disagree.

During the Xeno war, NI supports defense of Earth and the core. E. Indi is in
fact closer to the core itself than some of the outer core worlds.

In the Post Xeno war era, that affinity probably remains and possibly
increases, esp if the UN becomes a more dominant power in the core worlds.

> --- Noam Izenberg <noam.izenberg@jhuapl.edu> wrote:

> During the Xeno war, NI supports defense of Earth

Depends--that's assuming the UN lays off the "Zionism
is Racism" and "Arabs are always right" kick they've been on for the past 50
years or so.

Please, this is an obvious troll. A very inflammatory position with no backing
evidence. Can we try to be a bit more rational here?

> On Thursday, December 13, 2001, at 07:41 AM, John Atkinson wrote:

> At 08:50 13/12/01 -0800, Tony wrote:

John? Rational? Better luck next time;)

> Please, this is an obvious troll. A very inflammatory position

> At 07:41 AM 12/13/01 -0800, you wrote:

Pax, before we start a flame war.

A UN that votes for a "Zionism is racism" decree is unlikely because of the
enormous influence of large powerblocs, such as the NAC and the ESU. Neither
are likely to vote for such an agenda.

It does however raise an interesting point. Does UN voting remain 1
vote/1
nation? Is the NAC counted as lots of little nations or one? Or is the voting
now by population?

Corey

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com>

> During the Xeno war, NI supports defense of Earth

Well, current events may be showing the beginning of that change, and I
think the GZG-verse's history (the destruction of Old Israel and
Gilderstein foundation as the root of FTL travel being key factors) will

have gone a long way to swing the pendulum to the opposite side by the late
22nd century. In my NI timeline, I lay the foundations for at least

decent UN-NI relations around the time of the Xeno war (though, as is
right, there are always ways to get even strong allies to find cause to
fight occasionally in the GZG-verse).

As a side note, I feel you (John) might be overstating the case of the current
UN a bit. I'm not a big fan of the UN's attitude towards Israel

today in the real world, but in the game context of ~ 200 years from now

I think its entirely reasonable to assume
attitudes/allicances/predilictions will have changed multiple times. Who

were the major world allies 200 years ago (global alliances/antagonisms
didn't really even exist)? 100 years ago? 50?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:38:17 -0500 "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
writes:
> At 07:02 13/12/01 -0500, Chris wrote:

Three words - Dungeons and Dragons.  And Fantasy *is* a subset of
Fiction.

Gracias,

Okay, Dad.

We believe you. <grin>

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
Historical - Warbeads@juno.com
Fantasy and 6mm - dwarf_warrior@juno.com

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:12:07 +1100 Derek Fulton
<derekfulton@bigpond.com> writes:
> At 06:28 13/12/01 -0800, Michael Brown wrote:

> At 06:14 14/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

I thought it was gas too, but I'll take the word of a nurse or doctor:)

Fifteen Years nursing before becoming an accessory to the Merchants of Death.
Wife has well over 20 years in being an RN.

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
Historical - Warbeads@juno.com
Fantasy and 6mm - dwarf_warrior@juno.com

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:43:04 +1100 Derek Fulton
<derekfulton@bigpond.com> writes:
> At 06:14 14/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

> --- John Crimmins <johncrim@voicenet.com> wrote:

> Don't make us start mutilating your cattle, people!

As long as you only mutilate English cattle, which are all diseased in the
first place, it doesn't really bother me. It's not like they could cook them
even if they weren't diseased.;P

Most castles have dungeons. Komodo Dragons.

D&D is highly plausible.... ;-)

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