Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

9 posts ยท Oct 6 2004 to Oct 8 2004

From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:18:47 -0500

Subject: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

As you probably know by now, I only get the digest of the list. It's readily
noticeable that some of the members on the list have their
e-mail
programs set to send HTML. This is easy to do if you use AOL, Hotmail, or MS
Outlook. The problem is that you end up sending your message twice, along with
a lot of useless bumf.

Not to name names, but here's a sample.

The original, text version of a message included this:

> In a message dated 10/5/04 2:01:00 AM,=20

Later on, the following was added to the message due to sending HTML, too:

> - --part1_12b.4d44bc01.2e94189d_boundary
FACE=3D"Gen=
> eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>

5px;=20=
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT

I can't speak for all of us receiving the digest, but I know I would
appreciate it if folks could turn off sending HTML to the mailing list. I
know from past experience that most people don't know their e-mailer is
doing it.

On another topic, for two days now the digest received an e-mail from
Doc Agren with the subject "[ft] Revised Viggen Spinal Mount" that seems to
include an attachment. I don't know if the mailing list is filtering these
out, but they are getting through to the digest.

The GZG mailing list is a "no attachments" list. This has been the policy
(mostly unofficially) since I joined back in '96. A lot of folks on the list
are from outside of North America where they often have to pay per minute of
connect time. Attachments, particularly of images, can cause all sorts of
problems for people with slow dial up. Now that a buffer overflow exploit was
found in the way some Microsoft (and other manufacturer) products handle
JPEGs, and the first malicious use of JPEGs has been found "in the field",
it's a good idea for security sake not to

send pictures to the mailing list.

The proper way to handle attachments is the way Indy did with SpaceshipOne
pics: post them to a web site and point a URL there. A number of us on the
list have space that we would happily allow mailing list folks to use on a
temporary basis, and there are a number of free web hosting companies out
there.

While on the subject of Indy's pictures, I'd like to say "Thank you!" I missed
seeing SpaceshipOne's flight on CNN at lunch by about a half an hour. It was
great to see the shots from the flight.

Not mentioned on the list, which was a little surprising, was the passing of
Gordon Cooper, one of the "Original Seven". He had a history of heart

problems and had suffered hear failure over the weekend. Ironically, he died
the same day SpaceshipOne won the X Prize. The astronauts of my childhood are
all getting up there in age, so their passing shouldn't be

surprising, but somehow it still is.

The remaining Original Seven are Scott M. Carpenter, John H. Glenn, and Walter
M. Schirra, Jr.Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom died during the Apollo I fire. Donald
K. "Deke" Slayton passed away in 1993, and Alan B. Shepherd, Jr.passed away in
1998.

NASA maintains an astronaut biography site at:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the biographies of the deceased astronauts.
Except for those who died in NASA service (the two shuttle crews, Apollo 1,
and several in trainer accidents), 17 former astronauts

have died. Six of them died from cancer, four in aircraft accidents, four from
heart failure, one in an automobile accident, one in a motorcycle accident
(Pete Conrad, one of my favorite Apollo astronauts), one from complications
due to pancreatitis, and one due to heart and respiratory failure during a
climb of Mt. Everest. I don't know why, but I thought I'd pass on that bit of
morbid information.

> From: Andy Cowell <andy@cowell.org>

A friend of mine is writing an alternate history series set in a world where
Napoleon died early, Britain took over the Louisiana Purchase land, and Canada
extends down the west bank of the Mississippi. It covers an American Civil War
set in 1850. I'm painting up some armies so that we can play out some of the
battles in his novels. Piquet is great for this, as he is able to take Piquet
events and twist them to suit the purposes of his narrative.

Of course this can be done with other games, too. We played out one small
battle using GDW's _Soldiers Companion_. At one point a company suffered

an officer casualty. While taking notes, he looked up at me and said, "That
company has one of the characters in the book. I wanted him to be wounded
during the battle!" I smiled and said, "Looks like you just found out when it
happened." It was a very enjoyable moment.

> From: Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> Subject: [LST] was Re: The GZG

> >...Chris/Laserlight (who explained to Doug the difference...

Mea culpa! I actually intended to write Doug/Beast, but I got distracted

and missed it! My apologies Doug/Beast!

> From: Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu>
(Note:
> if this already came up in the discussion, my apologies.)

For some reason I'm having problems figuring this out. You mean you shuffle
each player's deck, split out some cards (so you now have a total of four
decks), and then draw only from a player's partial deck? I'm not

sure how this would change things in Piquet. I'm probably just being dense
today.

> On another question: overwatch, in most games I've seen, is fairly

People have tried systems where an entire action is held back, to be used any
way they want. The argument against this is that it usually lets the

unit with the held action react too much to the enemy. It doesn't represent
realistic overwatch, where a unit is ordered to stay put and fire at targets
of opportunity. It gives the unit a little too much flexibility.

I don't know if this is a truly valid argument against it, or if it's just
from a preconceived bias. Certainly just allowing a unit to hold an

activation or an action is a simple solution. In some ways it may even be more
realistic. Would an overwatching squad just sit still and fire if an entire
brigade were bearing down on it, or would it take the opportunity

to run? This is the sort of thing that is decided after playtesting.

> From: Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The GZG

Thank you. As I mentioned, I never had much of a problem leaving it optional.
So, consider that idea "well playtested".

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From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:32:53 +0100

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:18:47AM -0500, Allan Goodall wrote:

> I can't speak for all of us receiving the digest, but I know I would
I
> know from past experience that most people don't know their e-mailer is

> doing it.

This is a standard policy on most mailing lists. There's some information on
how to configure many mail clients at:

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#programs

> The proper way to handle attachments is the way Indy did with

> list folks to use on a temporary basis, and there are a number of free

This is also very convenient for those of us who use limited-bandwidth
connections.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:53:38 -0400

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

> The proper way to handle attachments is the way Indy did with
I
> missed seeing SpaceshipOne's flight on CNN at lunch by about a half an

I can't take credit for posting the pics; that was all Noam. He was all over
the event. You'll have to thank him, not I. I was being a slacker doing work
stuff (and also missed watching the event).

> Just out of curiosity, I looked up the biographies of the deceased

Which one attempted Everest?

Mk

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:53:34 -0500

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

> For some reason I'm having problems figuring this out. You mean you

Never assume density where my obscufatory verbage explains the result. Backing
up, as it's been quite some time since I saw Piquet in action: there's one
deck with cards representing all units, both sides, right? You draw card after
card, and can have one side moving unit after unit. If you split the deck into
one per side, you have the idea I had. It's still possible for one side to get
cards that you want to 'get stuck in', while the other side only gets commands
for units out of action, but at least you get to move SOMETHING every other
card.

> It doesn't represent realistic overwatch, where a unit is ordered

I don't want to get too into how long a turn is, and how much time it takes
for a unit to react and leave, but there is something different between
pointing a weapon in a direction and waiting to pull a trigger, and leaping
up, snagging kit, and buggin' out.

What if the other side has an even smaller unit on OW, and your buggin' out
boys starts to approach. Do they get to bug out? At some point, isn't there's
the possible problem with order in which saved actions are used? For that
matter, wouldn't any unit be likely to turn around run in the face of a larger
unit?

I'd be comfortable that the whole action sequence covers things not instantly
obvious.

> Unfair! You acknowledge his Laserlight-ness; you ignore my bestial

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:10:15 -0400

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

> Unfair! You acknowledge his Laserlight-ness; you ignore my bestial

He was trying to enlighten you...

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From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:44:38 -0500

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

> >> Unfair! You acknowledge his Laserlight-ness; you ignore my bestial

The enlightment totally lost on me was that the topic was incorrect for the
majority of the post.

Sorry, all!

The_Beast (who knows his nick is no excuse for bad behavior...

From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:01:16 +1100

Subject: RE: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

G'day,

> Never assume density where my obscufatory verbage explains the result.

Usually each side gets a deck and the two aren't mixed.

Cheers

From: Samuel Penn <sam@b...>

Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:56:33 +0100 (BST)

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

Indy said:
> While on the subject of Indy's pictures, I'd like to say "Thank you!"
I
> missed seeing SpaceshipOne's flight on CNN at lunch by about a half

Working at Reuters has its advantages. There's always a TV somewhere (normally
a live feed direct from the reporters)
showing something interesting. :-)

From: DOCAgren@a...

Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:07:48 EDT

Subject: Re: Attachments, HTML, and Some Digest Replies

In a message dated 10/8/04 2:57:16 AM,
> owner-gzg-digest@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU writes:

> From: "Allan Goodall" <agoodall@worldnet.att.net>
MARGIN-LEFT:
> 5px;=20=
Unfortantly I no longer can turn off HTML, as far as anyone, including AOL
themselves, can tell AOL 10.2 for Mac OSX dosn't have the ability to do plain
text. So if any expert has the answer please let me know off list

And for your information there was no attachment to the list, just a straight
email show a new weapon system based on earlier feedback given.   That
for some reason shows up perfect in the archives, but arrived all messed up in
the digest, which is the same form I read it in too.
http://lists.firedrake.org/gzg/200410/msg00040.html

Have a Good One,