Hi folks,
With thanks to Roger West, for letting me put pages on firedrake.org, I've
completed the overhaul of the main list archives. Now, every post I have going
back to June 1996 is now online.
http://www.warpfish.com/jhan/ft/Archives
Note: The google search works, but it will return bad results because
it has to re-index all the links that go off to firedrake.org now.
So, it'll probably be wonky for the next month or so, if you can believe the
Google FAQ.
Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list since June
1996? Scanning the archives quickly, and looking at the recent traffic, I
think there's about nine of us: Aaron Teske, Alan Brain, Allan Goodall, Jon
Tuffley, Mark Kochte, Oerjan Ohlson, Jon Davis, Michael Llaneza and myself.
Anybody I miss? Any lurkers out there who have stayed really quiet for
the past six years? (8-) (Actually, if anybody has copies of
messages going back even further, that would be really, really, cool.)
Thanks everybody, JGH
> Jerry Han wrote:
Good work Jerry!
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
Me possibly - I can't remember exactly when I first subbed, but it would
have been soon after I joined Kuju, which was April '96. I may have lurked for
a while before posting tho'.
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http://www.warpfish.com/jhan/ft/Archives
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I think you've an extra 'S'...
http://www.warpfish.com/jhan/ft/Archive
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Good work Jerry!
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The above embarassing, but very minor, error notwithstanding, I agree
100%!
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Anybody I miss? Any lurkers out there who have stayed really quiet for the
past six years?
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Well, I'm not certain; my first post, and what was almost my last, was in
February, '97, but as I pointed out then, I'd been a lurker for quite some
time.
To my embarassment, the NAC Adam Delafield and James H. Evans have yet to see
battle...
The_Beast
> --- devans@uneb.edu wrote:
Yeah.
Thanks for updating, Jerry. I got a big kick out of skimming the Febuary
archives. It's interesting to
note the comments posted _after_ I departed for NTC.
Especially Alan Brain's "Re: Rattling the Cage".
And the wiseass who noted a minor discrepancy between
my very well-known candor and the reputation of my
adopted Romans... Laserlight, I know where you live.
:)
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
Awww, Hell, yeah.
> Jerry Han wrote:
Thanks, Jerry.
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
I think I came aboard in the latter part of '94. I know I discovered FT the
summer of '94, and it was some months after that when I learned about the
list.
I went through my own personal "archives" (packrat that I am) and found the
earliest post I had saved from from Kyle Klingler who posted a msg about a
book called "Proximity Zero" by Terry Kepner for those people who wanted to
make realistic star maps. I know I had earlier posts, but when They migrated
my mail from one system to another I lost a lot of messages.
:-/ I believe I ran my (the?) first PBeM FT in Oct '95 (geez, Jer, you
were at "troll.uunet.ca" back in '96)
Ahh, the memories. :-)
> Indy wrote:
It has been a long ride and a fun one. I still remember my first FT PBeM game
in command of two Narn Lancers.
> Indy wrote:
When did the FT-GZG list start? Who is the longest continuous surviving
mailing list person? Anybody want to challenge Mark? (8-)
> :-/ I believe I ran my (the?) first PBeM FT in Oct '95 (geez, Jer,
Summer 1996 -- I was entering my fourth year of University. 22 years
old.
UUNET Canada was my summer co-op job -- troll.uunet.ca was my desktop
terminal. So young and innocent. (8-)
JGH
Hey, Jerry. Thanks for all the work with the archives!
I wasn't sure when I subscribed so I took a look. June 21, 1996 I posted after
having just moved to El Ay.
Congrats, BTW, on a con well done! Great pics and AARs. I wish I coulda been
there this year. I'll make it next year.
-Ted
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
> the past six years? (8-) (Actually, if anybody has copies of
I'm in there, listed (oddly enough) under my full name: Reginald Rutherford
IV. I remember subscribing some time in 1995, and writing up the results of
one of our campaigns & posting it to the list.
> Rick Rutherford wrote:
That was YOU? I saw the name, and thought of you but thought, "Nahhh, Reginald
and Rick, nahhhh."
I guess you learn something new every day. (8-)
Well, I guess the current record is 1994 from Mark "I Throw Myself
At Rocks and Stick" Kochte. (8-) Anybody else?
JGH
> >Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
I'm close, subscribed August 16th, 1996 at 16:59:02 mountain time.
The first e-mail I have saved off is your Murphy's Laws of Combat, saved
off into my (very large) humor file.
Back to lurking,
> Jerry Han wrote:
When did Mike Elliot join the list? I thought he was on around my time? Ludo
Toen was around back around at least '95; he was in a few of my PBeM FT games.
As were Jerry, Aaron, Jon D, and others. First PBeM game I ran was a raiders
vs. freighters with a EF cruiser coming in on Turn X to assist the frieghters.
No one [who was playing] had done FT by email before, so some of the movements
were...interesting.
;-) It wasn't overly well balanced; it was meant as an experiment,
one to see how well FT translated into a PBeM environment (I suspected
relatively easily, since I had run by hand numerous SFB PBeM games for nigh 5
years prior) and two to see who on the list at that time would have been
remotely interested in doing PBeM FTing. At first the response was lukewarm
(after all, prior to that I had been primarily a lurker; don't really think I
posted much, just tried to sit back and get a feel
of the room first), but the subsequent game (Narn-Centauri) I was
rather,
er, overwhelmed with willing participants. ;-) Adam Delafield had
generated maps based off of the detection reports for me during that game (the
*original* PBeM maps for FT!)
Wish I still had some of the first scenario files saved. Alas. At least
the Narn-Centauri ones are on the web. If you are interested:
> David Brewer wrote:
I remember asking Adam years ago whether there were archives when
I started out, and he said that there weren't any -- which is why
I started the archives in the first place. So, I'm pretty sure that there
would be none at Bolton. If Jon White were still there, I'd feel confident
asking, but, given that it's been almost 6 years, and the two people who are
most closely associated with it are gone... it's very unlikely, and I'm not
sure it's worth the effort, at least along that angle.
Just like the Google Usenet project, my only real hope would be if there's a
lurker who, out of force of habit, archived every post of the list in the
early years. In particular, I'd be interested
in reading FT 1st Edition comments. (8-)
A lot of the list's early history has pretty well, been lost. Not much can be
done about it now, I guess. It's not really that big a deal, but, the
historian in me would like some closure, would like to
hear some stories from the stone age... (8-)
JGH
While we're on the topic of FT PBEM, I've found that I've sorely missed
Indy's B5 games and deeply regret that the Man-Kra'vak Wars scenario
didn't finish (I had a strikeboat swarm behind the Hu'man capital ships,
on the same vector and in range).
To that end I'm putting together a list of players and studying the vector
movement spereadsheet.
I'll be running a Narn-Centauri fleet engagement, using FTFB rules and
my B5 conversions
http://imperialdispatches.editthispage.com/fullthrust.
Scenario details aren't decided yet, but will likely be a Centauri raid on a
Narn outpost near a gas giant.
Any interest?
> Indy wrote:
> Jerry Han wrote:
I have a lot of those posts, some of them going back to 1996 if memory serves.
They're sitting in a Eudora mailbox, on a hard drive that still needs a little
work.
> Jerry Han wrote:
> Just like the Google Usenet project, my only real hope would be if
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:38:36PM -0800, Michael Llaneza wrote:
> on a Narn outpost near a gas giant.
Definitely!
Me Too! On a sad note, Adam Delafield left us about a month after I signed on.
Michael Brown
[quoted original message omitted]
Goodbye again Adam.
> Michael Brown wrote:
> Me Too! On a sad note, Adam Delafield left us about a month after I
> I have going back to June 1996 is now online.
From: "John Atkinson" <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com>
> Thanks for updating, Jerry. I got a big kick out of
Glad you liked it. Just enough truth amidst the BS.
BTW what are your opinions of the technical merits
> Jerry Han wrote:
> Anybody I miss? Any lurkers out there who have stayed really quiet
Have you, seriously, thought of asking bolton.ac.uk if they have any archives
from the old list? A few megabytes of overlooked text files being stored
unnoticed? If someone there remembers Adam, they might be willing to help.
Is the old list still running? I recall getting messages through well after it
had all been transferred across, but I have changed address since. Adam's web
pages were still available (literally) years after his untimely death, but I
don't have the URL to see if they're still there.
Hmm, y'know, I don't think I'm old enough to slip into a reverie about the old
list, but I guess I can... though I think it's also seen through the
altered circumstances of being in college in those days. ^_-
> At 02:10 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Indy wrote:
Woo! ^_^
> > Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
That's... kinda freaky. ^_^; Cool, but freaky....
> > Anybody I miss? Any lurkers out there who have stayed really quiet
Well, I know you were here before I was... I do have some messages saved
from my CMU days, but they are rather disorganized since I didn't have much
time to sort through 'em by the time I found out CMU was canning my account.
(Of course, six months later they come up with the policy of letting graduates
keep their account & space... yeesh....)
> I went through my own personal "archives" (packrat that I am) and found
And that was when you rotated your "From" tag every week or so. Lessee, a
quasi-random sampling of Indy's ID tags:
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met." "Out of my
mind. Back in five minutes." "SHADOW means never having to say you're sorry"
...and other such sundry comments. ^_^
Ah, well. G'night!
> At 04:24 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Indy wrote:
[On PBEMs]
> Wish I still had some of the first scenario files saved. Alas. At least
Hey, cool. I remember that one. I screwed up my movement orders in turn 5, got
in a few too many lines of fire, but at least I took a Narn ship
with me... and hey, it was even Jon Davis' ship! <grin> Cool.... ^_-
<ahem> Okay, *really* gotta get sleep now.... Later!
> Indy wrote:
I have some old mail saved from the FT-GZG list, oldest message I
have is from Mike Elliot in September '95, passing on some ideas for a vector
thrust system of JMTs in answer to a message from Mark Siefert.
I used to occasionally look at the list of subscribers to FT-GZG.
New subscribers went to the bottom of the list, so it gave a rough order of
seniority (but people who dropped out and returned lost their place). I think
Steve Pugh was at the top when the lists switched over.
--- Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@webone.com.au>
wrote:
> BTW what are your opinions of the technical merits
Uhhh... Which ones?
Grizzy: Too bad we can't freaking afford it.
Wolverine: About damn time.
AVLB: It's older than my father. Time to go.
ACE: Piece of Shit.
MICLIC: Really freakin' cool.
M113: It's time to get a specialized engineer squad
carrier. Using infantry hand-me-downs ain't cutting
it.
From: "Michael Llaneza" <maserati@earthlink.net>
> Goodbye again Adam.
[quoted original message omitted]
> At 12:16 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Jerry wrote:
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
The earliest post that I saved was from September 1996, so I came in sometime
during the summer of '96, I think.
> --- Don Greenfield <gryphon@sisna.com> wrote:
I am unable to say, that was two computers and two ISPs ago.
I was on the Bolton list, if that helps.
Bye for now,
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:16:45 -0500 Jerry Han <jhan@warpfish.com> wrote:
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
I think I may be another "old-timer"; I just don't post that much.
Phil
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> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
TTFN
Jon
> I used to occasionally look at the list of subscribers to FT-GZG. New
> Jonathan white wrote:
Oh God! Sorry Jon -- I hadn't heard from you in a while, so, I thought
you had left the list!
Sorry. *sheepish look* (No, this is NOT a SHEEP PUN!!! (8-) )
JGH
I did a quick search and found a message from myself in the archives Oct.
1996 (using old E-mail address).
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> Jerry Han <jhan@warpfish.com> wrote:
> Out of curiousity, how many people have been subscribed to the list
> Anybody I miss? Any lurkers out there who have stayed really quiet
**Engage dewy-eyed-nostalgia mode....**
I'm still here. Although these days I don't game much, and I mostly just skim
through the digests for anything of interest. (You can often kick me awake by
mentioning
FTMAP - unless Tim gets there first).
I can't remember when I first subscribed, but it was at my previous job (which
would
put it somewhere between May '93 and November '96 - I'm relying on my
CV for these dates!). The earliest post I can see from myself in Jerry's
archives is near the end of June '96.
Oh well, back to sleep now.....
Alun.
**Disengage dewy-eyed-nostalgia mode....**
WARNING: Unable to disengage dewy-eyed-nostalgia mode!